Betts/toler 58 refin for sale?

[CharlieS]

I may be mistaking your post.. But I don't own any celebrity owned vintage guitars cept the Terry Reid Telecaster. He is a friend so it's not quite like that either. Plus he has the option to buy it back Vig free at anytime. :2cool

Joe B

Joe, I think he's saying that every guitar you own is celebrity owned. Look in the mirror....:hank

 

[GuitarMikey]

Joe, I think he's saying that every guitar you own is celebrity owned. Look in the mirror....:hank

Yep, that's how i read it.

 

[sikoniko]

As to the ABB status as a band, we have talked about this before, your influence lineage is a bit different so they aren't a big and for you but they were hugely influential especially in the south. I hear their songs covered here in Nashville frequently. Last time I saw the Zac Brown band live they covered Whipping Post. Hell, Jessica is used as the theme song for Top Gear, a BBC show.

I suppose. The irony doesn't escape me that I live in Jacksonville, where much of this "southern rock" found a home. I'll never forget the time I met the guys in Molly Hatchet - must have been 13... I didn't know who they were, but I asked them if they knew any Aerosmith songs and they taught me how to play "Walk This Way". LOL.

It seems to me that this guitar would be a nice addition to The Big House, sitting next to Duane's GT and loaned to passing artists to perform on stage.

I'm sure there are plenty of people out there with plenty of money and are fans of The Allman Brothers that would pay whatever the price is... Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and to some, they might want it to stay a "burst", while others care more about it being a guitar - and possibly that it was a gt during the fillmore concerts, and won't particularly care if it was returned to being a goldtop... I guess that was my point.

 

[guitty]

PS.. Dan playing that guitar changed my life in 1983. I was 6 and the howl it produced will forever be with me. Those dudes knew Les Pauls....

Back when the sonic quality mattered more than it does now.

Fully agreed.

Here in Germany there are not that many possibilities to play a genuine burst. I could play two, and the dealer who processed the CITES for the Betts/Toler also had three (Joe will know him). Those other bursts with nicely flamed tops are (or have been) offered for about $300K. They look notably nicer than the Betts/Toler, most wouldn't argue about that. But soundwise it's the other way around. None of the other bursts could hold a candle to the Betts/Toler. Having made that experience, I never would spend $300K for the nice looking flamey burst, when I can have the great sounding one for about half.

 

[jimmi]

Very interesting thread! I'm a huge fan of the band and know of this guitar well. Wonderful sounding guitar! I agree with my esteemed colleague Joe in that in my mind, I view it in somewhat similar terms to the Snowy White Goldtop as far as value is concerned. Like I said I'm a huge fan, but with all said on the history of the guitar and all that has been done to it (whether by an Icon like Dickey or anyone else for that matter) I feel that the value lies somewhere in the middle of what is being asked and what it would arguably go for without the star connection. I'm curious to see how it goes! Cool, groovy guitar! My 2 cents..

I think we all agree that the value lies between ....we seem to disagree to which side of those extremes it should be closer (and if it should be refinished...my vote is no).

 

[MapleFlame]

I think this guitar and it's significance is actually undervalued. I get all the issues, and pricing with those taken into account, but it's a very important guitar in recorded and live performances. Value as we say is what a person is willing to pay. I wouldn't use the Snowy White guitar as a comparison. I would think more are aware of Betts compared to White. It should be on display at the R&R HOF museum.

 

[asapmaz]

I think this guitar and it's significance is actually undervalued. I get all the issues, and pricing with those taken into account, but it's a very important guitar in recorded and live performances. Value as we say is what a person is willing to pay. I wouldn't use the Snowy White guitar as a comparison. I would think more are aware of Betts compared to White. It should be on display at the R&R HOF museum.

+1000

 

[2manyGuitars]

Joe, I think he's saying that every guitar you own is celebrity owned. Look in the mirror....:hank

Exactly how I meant it. Maybe subtle humor isn't my thing and I'll just stick to fart jokes.

I know on here, we're all just "regular Joes", but to some folks, having a JB owned guitar would be a big deal.

 

[sikoniko]

I may be mistaking your post.. But I don't own any celebrity owned vintage guitars cept the Terry Reid Telecaster. He is a friend so it's not quite like that either. Plus he has the option to buy it back Vig free at anytime. :2cool

Joe B

I think one could argue that your black '55 strat is a celebrity guitar (if you still have it).

 

[Tom Wittrock]

I know on here, we're all just "regular Joes", but to some folks, having a JB owned guitar would be a big deal.

For me, having a JB played guitar is a big deal. :dude:

 

[Big Al]

For me, having a JB played guitar is a big deal. :dude:

Yup! It would be for me. Just a regular and a very affable man, but, for me he is a supernaturaly gifted guitarist and IMO one of the greats. Major, major influential and now I would say iconic.


This guitar is historically important and should NOT be altered or refinished unless it is bought by a active working guitarist continuing to add to its history and mojo.:hank:hank

 

[Smolder]

Duane is a huge influence and the closest I've ever had to an idle.

That said... I see zero value in paying extra because a celeb owned it (no offense Joe)... I see huge value in buying the guitar that contributed 'that tone'... especially THAT tone.

This alone would likely keep me from owning many guitars.... even if I did win the lottery ; )

 

[stevechilders]

As a Betts fan, I would love to be able to own a piece of the ABB history. The true value will be established by whomever purchases it next.

I for one would love to have a crack at the 57 goldtop he currently owns.. (the now refinned Redtop) .

 

[BCR/Greg]

I played this guitar backstage at a Gregg Allman Band gig....and it FEELS spectacular. Really resonant.

Ugly as sin in person, but the only thing I would change is the strings.

 

[Tom Wittrock]

Seems like this guitar has been offered for sale for 10+ years. :hmm

 

[ppgf]

love terry reid.

is it this tele?

I may be mistaking your post.. But I don't own any celebrity owned vintage guitars cept the Terry Reid Telecaster. He is a friend so it's not quite like that either. Plus he has the option to buy it back Vig free at anytime. :2cool

Joe B

 

[guitty]

Seems like this guitar has been offered for sale for 10+ years. :hmm

Tom, are you refering to this offer?
http://allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=52798

The current owner is not the one from back then in 2006.

Btw, in regard to some discussions on real and faked vintage guitars in other threads: Whoever buys (or owns) this guitar can be 100 % sure to have a real 1958 Les Paul Standard with a huge bunch of proof for its provenience, history, importance and sound.

 

[Tom Wittrock]

Tom, are you refering to this offer?
http://allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=52798

The current owner is not the one from back then in 2006.

No, not that one. I have had emails going back over 10 years where it was offered to me [or for me to refer a potential buyer], including some this year.
It has changed hands, but seems to end up being for sale again and again.
I wonder if it is only being sold to speculators, so far? :hmm

 

[guitty]

No, not that one. I have had emails going back over 10 years where it was offered to me [or for me to refer a potential buyer], including some this year.
It has changed hands, but seems to end up being for sale again and again.
I wonder if it is only being sold to speculators, so far? :hmm

That's interesting. I wonder which guitar a buyer would have received, as the current owner hasn't thought about a sale up until now. Whoever offered you this guitar this year was a scammer.
The last two owners haven't been speculators at all. Instead they'd choose the best sounding guitar they could get - even if it had cost a fortune (which is relative, of course).

 

[j45]

That's interesting. I wonder which guitar a buyer would have received, as the current owner hasn't thought about a sale up until now. Whoever offered you this guitar this year was a scammer.
The last two owners haven't been speculators at all. Instead they'd choose the best sounding guitar they could get - even if it had cost a fortune (which is relative, of course).

That's interesting as well. So you are saying BOTH "previous" owners actually played this guitar before buying??

As a side note I thought it a bit humorous in the ABB Forum linked above when Kunio said he passed on this one because it "wasn't interesting"...