Betts/toler 58 refin for sale?

[abalonevintage]

As a side note I thought it a bit humorous in the ABB Forum linked above when Kunio said he passed on this one because it "wasn't interesting"...

Keep in mind there may be a translation issue here. I have read many posts from Kunio that I know did not reflect his sentiment. (Including emails I have received from him.)

Notice he said "I" was not interesting...not "IT" was not interesting.

He could have meant "I was not interested.

Kunio is not very good with Engrish. :laugh2:

He is a great, PASSIONATE, guitar geek.

 

[T.Allen]

Keep in mind there may be a translation issue here.

I have the same problem with our friend from Charleston. :laugh2:

 

[abalonevintage]

Tom, there are several elements at work there...culture...dialect...political acumen... :hee

 

[guitty]

As a side note I thought it a bit humorous in the ABB Forum linked above when Kunio said he passed on this one because it "wasn't interesting"...

Better read again!
Kunio said he wasn't interested ('I wasn't interesting', which is indeed funny ). Kunio's English is not perfect (Don Tolar ?). And if you read further in the linked thread, you will notice, that Kunio mixed up some more things. Dickey said in an 1989 Guitar Player interview that the Betts/Toler LP has been his main guitar with the ABB ('that's the one I've played most of the time through the ABB days'). Kunio thinks it was his spear guitar, maybe he meant his spearhead guitar? I would think, that Dickey knows better what he used daily on the road and in the studio than Kunio.

 

[guitty]

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[j45]

You're working really hard on your troll factor, aren't you? Congrats, 10 out of 10.:salude

You certainly have the right to say that, no offense taken... Just trying to put a few things together that I've wondered about this particular guitar. I have in fact spent time with it, I would guess shortly before the last two owners you mention... and that's what I'm not sure about among other things... I have no doubts of the provenance and authenticity, just curious about the manner in which it has been passed around and offered over the years. Troll? maybe...a severe case of guitar history and trivia fanaticism is more likely. But seriously, are you sure both of the last two owners played before buying?

 

[2manyGuitars]

Kunio thinks it was his spear guitar, maybe he meant his spearhead guitar?

Umm, maybe "spare" guitar would be the more obvious choice?

 

[T.Allen]

You're working really hard on your troll factor, aren't you? Congrats, 10 out of 10.:salude

Easy there. j45 is a long time contributing member here and definitely not a troll. :jim

 

[Palladio]

If this guitar sounds and feels as great as some people here say who have actually played it, then I hope a working musician rather than a collector buys it. Given the price it would have to a be pretty famous musician, however. This guitar was used on some iconic tracks by great players - ones that have inspired many others in succeeding generations. That to me is way cooler than a pristine burst that sat under a bed for most of its life. YMMV. And I'm not knocking collectors. I think it's great that they buy and carefully preserve some of these guitars. However, this particular guitar deserves something other than a glass case. It's not as if a few more dings are going to devalue it!

If had the money to burn, I'd buy it over a clean and/or mediocre sounding one any day. Then I'd loan it out to younger cats who might be inspired by its history and sound to make more great music.

 

[guitty]

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[T.Allen]

guitty, are you a dealer brokering this sale?

 

[guitty]

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[efpe]

for offering it - other preferences have developed, so some other lucky guy will have the chance to enjoy the B/T soon.
But be aware, it actually has become a bit hard to play any of the current high-end/high-priced LPs when you have made the B/T experience.:dang[/QUOTE]

I know this guitar. it was at my house and i played it and i know the guy who sold it well.
i did not buy it, because i did not like it. i do not like the look and there were made so many changes to the guitar. i remember strange thin wire in the cavity. Nobody can tell if it has still the same Pick Ups from the Betts and Toler Aera. I personally doubt it. Betts and Toler had made great music with this guitar, like they did with other guitars as well.

 

[mistersnappy]

Nobody can tell if it has still the same Pick Ups from the Betts and Toler Aera. I personally doubt it. Betts and Toler had made great music with this guitar, like they did with other guitars as well.

This would be pretty important. But, hell, it sounds pretty great in those Udo clips.

 

[stevechilders]

This would be pretty important. But, hell, it sounds pretty great in those Udo clips.

+1 ... those clips were posted 8 years ago though. I would guess a serious inquiry would involve looking under the hood so to speak concerning pickups etc...

 

[guitty]

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[sws1]

Silly question...but are you the person selling the guitar? Or just promoting it for someone else?

 

[guitty]

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[jimmi]

Here are some pics of the cavity and pups. The pots are from 1974. The pickups read 7.33 neck and 7.36 bridge.

Off topic, I have a 54 refinished in the mid 60s by Gibson (with a much better burst finish) ....why did they paint the control cavities with that copper color?

 

[mistersnappy]

Not an expert, but, those PAF stickers are a thing of beauty? :hmm