Long Tenon vs Short Tenon?

[tom wu]

Only people with short tenons say that

:rof :rof :rof
Point taken..how about a guy who has both a short and a long one?

 

[Overdriver]

I wonder how long the tenons on Clapton's '64 ES-335 or his '64 SG are? I've got to know. Until I know, I won't know if 'Crossroads' or other live Cream recordings are any good.......

 

[les strat]

Not one number right? Well, I own a short-tenon '95 Page model that's a copy
of HIS number 1. Is that a good enough number for you? Btw, early '95 Page
models now occasionally crest $7K, and will appreciate from here much faster than the long-tenoned historics. What are they, hovering around $3.5K? Guess I don't need that plastic geetah you're suggesting.

Btw, the '95 Page sustains for days and days.

I wouldn't call the mid-90's Page sigs anywhere near specs of his #1, which has a long tenon.

Nice guitars though.

 

[honk-squawk-wail]

I wouldn't call the mid-90's Page sigs anywhere near specs of his #1, which has a long tenon.

Nice guitars though.

Not the mid-nineties models, only the early '95 models. Specs were changed after early '95. Mine has the rare 3/4+no quarter tenon.

 

[96 lppp]

My point is my RO is not just a tool, it is an expressive instrument with less limitations. My quest for better tone led me on the RI LP trail.

 

[Easy Money]

So remember what's been said before; -"It's not the size of your tenon but what you do with it that counts."

That's what everyone with a little tenon says.

 

[96 lppp]

It seems like short tenon owners are threatened by the long-tenon. I tried to bond with 2 dozen regular LP's the last 2 years and and for the past 10 years could not stomach the idea of paying for a historic. Now that I own 2 03 RO LP's I no longer feel the need for a more toneful guitar because I've owned over 30 different guitars in just the last 2 years of trying everything and know that the RI LP's are what I prefer. The search is over for me. My answer to the ? l vs s tenon is long tenon. :1959burst :boom :stack eace

 

[honk-squawk-wail]

It seems like short tenon owners are threatened by the long-tenon. I tried to bond with 2 dozen regular LP's the last 2 years and and for the past 10 years could not stomach the idea of paying for a historic. Now that I own 2 03 RO LP's I no longer feel the need for a more toneful guitar because I've owned over 30 different guitars in just the last 2 years of trying everything and know that the RI LP's are what I prefer. The search is over for me. My answer to the ? l vs s tenon is long tenon. :1959burst :boom :stack eace

Threatened? No. Shocked by the price many pay for a Gibson Les Paul? Yes.
Amazed that folks will shuffle 30 guitars in 2 years? Yes.

 

[Cogswell]

 

[honk-squawk-wail]

Is that an enlargement of the microchip Gibby tucks into those overpriced historic guitars? That would go someway towards explaining the suggested retail.

 

[Cogswell]

No, that's a tin ear. I'm sure you have a couple.

 

[honk-squawk-wail]

No, that's a tin ear. I'm sure you have a couple.

Then you should have put up TWO photos.
(I knew what it was, captain)

Btw, why the personal attack? (no, my skin isn`t thin, like some here)

Cheers

 

[D_rifter]

IMHO, everything on a guitar has a certain influence on it's tone quality. That's a reason why every similar guitar will have a slightly different sound, feel and weight etc.

Likewise, every idiosyncrasy in the method of construction will have an effect on it's tone, thus in my mind, I would think that a neck with a long tenon would have some effect on the tonality of the guitar. Construction wise, if the long tenon joint is poor, that will also have an effect on the tone, I guess detrimentally. Whereas if a neck with a short tenon has a quality joint then that would affect the guitar's tone, I would think.

All things being equal, I would think an electric guitar with a long tenon joint between the neck and the body, thus enabling a better transfer of vibrations from the strings between the neck and body, would have a tone that some would prefer.

Then again, some may prefer the short tenon tone.

Strength wise, I would presume that, if the joint is well executed, the long tenon joint would be superior in strength to the short tenon joint, simply because of the larger surface area of the joint.

 

[bluesjuke]

Is that an enlargement of the microchip Gibby tucks into those overpriced historic guitars? That would go someway towards explaining the suggested retail.

Let's see...I paid $1950. for my used R8 in excellent condition when Standards were marked at $2150..

I paid $2200. out the door for my R7 when Standards were marked at $2199..

I paid $2725. out the door for my R9 335 when USA 335's were marked at $2399..

Didn't seem to cost that much more did it? What did I get for the little extra?

Long tenon
better neck (for my tastes)
pickups I like better
lighter weight
better wood
ABR-1 bridge (which I prefer)
better finish (including hand rubbed nitro)
better balance
better overall tone
lightweight tailpiece
better resale value
Amazing satisfaction

Do I have a Standard? You bet! Do I like it? Yes, very much!
I also have a USA 335 that I like very much as well.

You know I should be playing them instead of wondering why you think it is your mission to bash Historics every chance you get. If you don't want one then don't buy one. It's a fact that Historics are the best guitars that Gibson is currently making & has made for a long time. Not the only good ones but the best for many good reasons.

Maybe next time you go to the Dr. you can tell him his Corvette's overpriced & he should have bought a Chevette for less instead of getting ripped off.

You remind me of another that decided to come on over from another forum to "start trouble "as he posted there before coming here. Hmmmmmmmmmmm!!! I wonder.

 

[moonpie]

No, that's a tin ear. I'm sure you have a couple.

He steps to the plate.....digs in his feet....watches the pitcher......
swings......HOMERUN :3zone :lol :3zone

 

[Wire and wood]

Wow, this is an interesting thread (most of it anyway). Like the person who started it, I have had Fenders most of my life and only recently found a couple of Gibson keepers. I've had other Gibsons in the past but none spoke to me. The first LP I've found that I've found that is here to stay is just a little old Standard. It is an absolutely fantastic guitar and a great example of Gibson craftsmanship and Les Paul tone and feel. Does this mean I don't want a Historic? No way. I'm jonesin' for one of those too as soon as I find the right one. Do I think it will automatically be better? Not necessarily. I have several Strats (sorry for using the "S" word) and they are all different. The best analogy I can use (realizing fully that it is two very different construction methods) is that I have two SRV Strats. One is a Brazillian Rosewood fretboard and the other is a Pao Ferro board. The garden variety main assembly line Pao Ferro board guitar completely destroys the Rosewood one for tone and feel. To me.
In short, I don't think there are any absolutes here, but I admire everyone's passion. We get too obsessed with the details soemtimes I think. I'm surprised no one is out there trying to weight and analyze truss rods. I'm sure those vintage truss rods probably weight a couple of grams more and were made in a foundry that doesn't exist anymore from a secret alloy. There is no way a reissue can truly sound like an original until someone figures out how to reproduce those truss rods.

 

[phil47uk]

And war reigns happily once more with the dreaded tenon issue ... :spin :spin :couch.

Fact.....A longer tenon usualy makes for a stiffer neck joint with regard to Les Pauls, which in turn tends to transfer acoustical qualities to the body of the instrument as a whole. In other words it tends to ring and sustain more.

Fact......Whether or not it sounds better as a musical instrument or not is then dependant on who the fuck is playing it.

As I have said a million times... I know people who can make an Epiphone sound as sweet as honey and others who make an R9 sound like a sack of potatoes.

The easiest way to find out, is to get an experienced third party to listen to you play both guitars... If they hear the tonal differences you are getting out of it via your musical skills, then great !.....If not.. I'd give it some serious thought before dishing out vast ammounts on an Historic.

In the final analysis though, it's whatever guitar you as an individual thinks sounds right for you, be it short tenon...Long tenon... Or no bloody tenon for that matter. You are the person who's playing the thing.

Phil.

 

[bluesjuke]

I'll bet on the Fender Forum they debate the merits of the three bolt vs. the four bolt neck.

 

[55Custom]

As I have said a million times... I know people who can make an Epiphone sound as sweet as honey and others who make an R9 sound like a sack of potatoes.

And how does the R9 sound in the hands of that Epi player?

A. Better than the Epi?
B. The same as the Epi?
C. Worse than the Epi?

 

[bluesjuke]

I'd say generally A & B on bad days.