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1960 Gibson Korina Explorer 011172 " Kandye Kane " Guitars West Owned on ebay

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lpnv59

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"So once upon a time the LPF were discussing a batch of amazing Les Paul fakes coming out of Johan Gustavsons shop, and the guitarist from the Cardigans come up as being known to own a few. Now I read here he was the former owner who lost a house worth of Exporer with this instrument. The folks associated with this guitar like Music Ground, coupled with Eric's pic showing the guard where checking lines up to what looks like razor damage is, well damaging to the case for defending this Explorer as the real deal" - No Shit Sherlock Holmes
 

Clive Brown

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Clive... You have never done me wrong in anyway. I respect your skills visa vie in faking real parts and building guitars with Gibson logos. My first introduction to your products was in 2005. I was at a credited English guitar magazine when I was handed fake 59 Les Paul with a Gibson Logo... It was great.. I asked about it and was told it was built by Clive Brown. Didn't say Brown anywhere on the outside. Claim the inside tells all you want. It was obvious to me and it still is that you build to deceive and not to restore. So please excuse me when I dismiss your authentication on the Explorer based on your history as a faker.
I'm not hating on your skills... I'm just hating the scam you are trying to pull.
Would you sleep soundly selling that POS for 750,000? .

Joe B.
PS.. It was 500 k at Gruhns before they threw it out of the store as a fake.
I call bullshit.
Real bullshit complete with grand larceny.








Hi Joe,
Wrong again! I have never built a Les Paul (I presume you are talking about a Standard) Finished a few but never built one, don’t like ‘em. Whoever told you that lied! Give me the name and I will contact them. I have never built any guitar to deceive anyone, nor have I ever sold one to deceive. What other people do with guitars I have restored/finished is out of my control that is why they carry my stamp hopefully to protect future buyers. I have seen cases where the stamp has been removed, again out of my control.

Regarding the 1960 Gibson Explorer I have said before on these pages if you care to read them.
I have known the guitar for 10 years, was there when it was bought in San Rafael, have had it apart various times, compared it to some famous Explorers (you’ve probably played ‘em) and can find nothing wrong with it. If you can find something wrong with it please tell me, let your expertise shine!

When the guitar was at Gruhn’s it was Gruhn that put the price on it, $50k was going to him, he has changed his mind 3 times about the guitar, he also admitted he doesn’t know much about electric guitars as he prefers acoustics and mandolins on which I understand he is knowledgable. He brings people in to check electrics, some of these guys aren’t very good, some are.
I have paperwork from Gruhn from 2009 when he saw a guitar claiming to be this one, it wasn’t, I also have paperwork from him stating that the guitar he did see in 2009 was a copy of this guitar!

I don’t own the Explorer and I am not pulling any scam with it, you seem to like calling me names, ie con man, faker. You know people who have known me for a long time, ask any of them if I am a con man or faker.

You claim to be a Bluesman.....Give me a break!.... Who’s the con man now....YOU!
The only POS here is You and your behaviour.....a bit childish isn’t it?
You see, I can resort to name calling too but I don’t resort to slander!

I believe the 1960 Explorer to be original, that is my opinion! No-one is asking you to buy it, you don’t even have to look at it. If you (I know you won’t) or anyone else asks me to check out a guitar I always give them a truthful answer, sometimes people don’t like it.

I don’t know you Joe, probably don’t want to but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt because I think you have had some bad info about me....(I recognise a few of your Marshall’s though!)
Best Regards,
Clive
 

richard henry

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Re: 1960 Gibson Korina Explorer " Kandye Kane " Guitars West Owned on ebay

Calling Ted Nugent.......
 

ppgf

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anyone have that jpeg of "the original owner" with the guitar, as well as the shot of the same guy working on an amp from the music ground archives?
 

rob livesey

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anyone have that jpeg of "the original owner" with the guitar, as well as the shot of the same guy working on an amp from the music ground archives?

I think it was burned in a fire, whilst stuck up the arse of an effigy of Justin Harrison.

What I'd heard anyway.......
 

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not sure peter actually dropped the loot.


"So once upon a time the LPF were discussing a batch of amazing Les Paul fakes coming out of Johan Gustavsons shop, and the guitarist from the Cardigans come up as being known to own a few. Now I read here he was the former owner who lost a house worth of Exporer with this instrument. The folks associated with this guitar like Music Ground, coupled with Eric's pic showing the guard where checking lines up to what looks like razor damage is, well damaging to the case for defending this Explorer as the real deal" - No Shit Sherlock Holmes
 

ppgf

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Re: 1960 Gibson Korina Explorer " Kandye Kane " Guitars West Owned on ebay

is it a fake if gibson never actually made a 7 string version of the model, billy?
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"So once upon a time the LPF were discussing a batch of amazing Les Paul fakes coming out of Johan Gustavsons shop, and the guitarist from the Cardigans come up as being known to own a few. Now I read here he was the former owner who lost a house worth of Exporer with this instrument. The folks associated with this guitar like Music Ground, coupled with Eric's pic showing the guard where checking lines up to what looks like razor damage is, well damaging to the case for defending this Explorer as the real deal" - No Shit Sherlock Holmes
 

ppgf

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what an amazingly fucked up situation.
I think it was burned in a fire, whilst stuck up the arse of an effigy of Justin Harrison.

What I'd heard anyway.......
 

richard henry

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I have paperwork from Gruhn from 2009 when he saw a guitar claiming to be this one, it wasn’t, I also have paperwork from him stating that the guitar he did see in 2009 was a copy of this guitar!

I don’t own the Explorer and I am not pulling any scam with it

Hi Clyde,

I laughed my head off when JUSTIN called me last year and told me this story when he was marketing it.

WHO does own it then? Gary or YOUR business partner? Or is it a scrap metal merchant from Sheffield?
 

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Harold...where's my bleedin guitar...:laugh2:
 

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is it a fake if gibson never actually made a 7 string version of the model, billy?
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If it says Gibson on the headstock, and Gibson did not make it, then I would call it a fake. Plain and simple, as I see it.
 

F-Hole

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I believe the 1960 Explorer to be original, that is my opinion!

Yep, we get it.

We also acknowledge that you would never knowingly sell, or participate in the sale of, a fake guitar.

We also acknowledge that you would never consider colluding to defraud or deceive.

We also acknowledge that you would never do "special favours" for local criminals like Justin Harrison.

We also acknowledge that your solemn word is your unimpeachable bond, entirely impervious to nefarious influence.

:salude
 

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is it a fake if gibson never actually made a 7 string version of the model, billy?
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Yes it is Matte, not that there is anything wrong with that. :hee That is, unless its being marketed as a Gibson by Joey H, or who ever other pawn/con artist out there attempting a scam. I'm sure you know that Joey sold his last Swedish replica (6 string version) to Scott Sheldon. What a fahkin circle jerk of shenanigans. :laugh2:
 

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Do you really think Max would admit to making this guitar knowing that it had been sold as a real one for $400,000? Maybe not even to Hernia !

Also, Sonicburst, you post behind a cloak of anonymity, who are you, what's your business, your PM's are switched off, your profile is empty, yet you defend this guitar and those involved in selling it, but attack those who wish to prevent another injustice being perpetrated?

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Good Morning My Fellow Yankers & Wankers!!! Mr.T m/o/g, please advise... How is everybody doing today!!??? First off I've just been informed from my good friend El Paso Lasso that I to change a nickname of one our guest to "Litte Old Lady in a Shoe" I was cracking up... Guess who this one is? Ok, now let's get serious here... Tee hee! Ha! I'm asking in good faith that you DO NOT SLAM my friends... Come on guys, this is my guitar... I'm the one selling it, I'm the one with the portfolio, I'm the one that wants 750k, (1.5mill closer to the election) So please come after me. I've posted my personal phone number and the only guys that had any testicles (although very small) were Richard Henry and John Marlow... I know you all dislike these guys, but Richard and I go way back and we had some times together in Blighty. John and I've spoke but once. Again, pleasant conversations between both oh them. Clive and Graham are my good friends, so please lay off. The are my 1%er's. Look the term up... Stand up dudes! So, I'm the one you want a piece of, not them... My guitar, my ass, my life, my world, my forum... 619/988/9777. Gary@guitarswest.net Shop # 951/894/3092... All smary remarks address them to me only, please. Mr.T m/o/g & Uncle Charlie keep an eye out! Don't whack them, just direct them to me.please. Man, if I say please one more time I'm going to puke!!! ����☕☕️�������� Gary Hernandez P.S., great pic of two cool guys!!!
 

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Good Morning My Fellow Yankers & Wankers!!! Mr.T m/o/g, please advise... How is everybody doing today!!??? First off I've just been informed from my good friend El Paso Lasso that I to change a nickname of one our guest to "Litte Old Lady in a Shoe" I was cracking up... Guess who this one is? Ok, now let's get serious here... Tee hee! Ha! I'm asking in good faith that you DO NOT SLAM my friends... Come on guys, this is my guitar... I'm the one selling it, I'm the one with the portfolio, I'm the one that wants 750k, (1.5mill closer to the election) So please come after me. I've posted my personal phone number and the only guys that had any testicles (although very small) were Richard Henry and John Marlow... I know you all dislike these guys, but Richard and I go way back and we had some times together in Blighty. John and I've spoke but once. Again, pleasant conversations between both oh them. Clive and Graham are my good friends, so please lay off. The are my 1%er's. Look the term up... Stand up dudes! So, I'm the one you want a piece of, not them... My guitar, my ass, my life, my world, my forum... 619/988/9777. Gary@guitarswest.net Shop # 951/894/3092... All smary remarks address them to me only, please. Mr.T m/o/g & Uncle Charlie keep an eye out! Don't whack them, just direct them to me.please. Man, if I say please one more time I'm going to puke!!! ����☕☕️�������� Gary Hernandez P.S., great pic of two cool guys!!!

Gary, have you forgotten what it's like here in the UK, OK the north of the U.K. a where a few of us try to eke out a living. It frickin' cold up here man. Ourmaninthenorth has the inside scoop on the situation has he's been to see the toothless soothsayer in the tap room of the Olde Man and Scythe over two halves of Black and Tan. The word is, summer will be on a Thursday this year, in late July. On this day, my testicles will appear and I'm afraid Mrs Twit will have me locked in the bedroom for the day for our annual lard rubdown and mating, followed by 2 woodbines, two IPA's and a fish supper. It's the only day I grow a pair and I won't be able to get near an internets.

Sorry man, if she gets TB next winter, I stand a chance of calling you next summer day.
 

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Bombs away! And they are real live bombs too!

 

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It just looks bad! If it is a real Explorer, then its a shame that it gets the stink of past transgressions of its former handlers. Its provenance only points to fakery....C'mon. It just doesn't make sense that whoever owns or owned a real, authentic vintage piece of history. Did not go thru the trouble of keeping it clear of anybody that is not 100% honorable.This guitars past is surrounded by the cast of the Music Ground cesspool. Too bad! You don't lay with shit and smell like a rose. And then there is Eric's extremely damaging picture. Certainly you all have heard the term " Everyone's an asshole unless proven otherwise". This mindset filtered into the collectible markets years ago.
 
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