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My SG Special & P90 questions.

Vics53

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Finally got my SG Special back this past last week. The tech had it since January 27! Well, he's great, he knows his stuff and said he's never been as busy as he has been these last few months.

The main reason taking it to him was to have the nut replaced with a Tusq nut. I loaned the guitar to a friend of mine who proceeded to knock the side of the original nut against a table causing a nasty crack. As a result, it played havoc on the guitar causing some nasty wavers on the D and G strings. Nice and smooth now!

Prior to taking it to him I installed the Music City Savvy bridge. It was a royal pain installing it but I did it! The intonation is SO much better!

I also replaced the stock bridge pickup with a Lollar P90 soapbar (regular wind). It's got a touch more output than the stock pickup with a bit more of the "umph" factor. With my multimeter I'm showing 8.88.

I also had the tech replace the stock neck pickup with a Lollar 50's wind P90 neck soapbar. Multimeter shows 6.97. While it's a huge improvement over the stock neck pickup it's still a bit boomey for my liking. But I use a Line 6 Pod Go and in Snapshot mode I'm able to create a preset where I can cut a lot of that low end out so it balances out with the bridge pickup. This is my first guitar with P90's and I am loving the sound! That kind of clarity is what I've been after. As some have said, it's like a Telecaster on steroids and I agree! Such an "alive" sound! But it doesn't push things as much as a guitar with HB's. Find I have to goose things up a bit. But man, that tone!

I also had the tech install a strap button on the inside of the upper cutaway. The one thing I don't like about SG's is how they lean away from you. I first tried a strap button in this new location on my Epiphone SG to see if I would like it. I do! The guitar balances out so much better now and it actually leans into me instead of away from me. Makes it so much more comfortable for me to play now.

Question. In the Gibson Collection interview series with Brad Whitford, he was showing one of his 50's LP's with P90's and he said "these pickups are very hot." He also said some of the P90's from that era are "very explosive." Just how hot were some of the P90's from that era?
 

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The '50s P90s in my experience can have a higher k ohm reading than the current stock pups.
Got a pair of '52s in my '13 R6 and they're at 8.05 neck and 9.63 bridge, the stock ones are like 7.70 and 7.85.
 

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The '50s P90s in my experience can have a higher k ohm reading than the current stock pups.
Got a pair of '52s in my '13 R6 and they're at 8.05 neck and 9.63 bridge, the stock ones are like 7.70 and 7.85.
Thank you! I appreciate the info!
 

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The SG Special P90 is an awesome instrument, a very good deal ! :love:

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SG's are a thing of beauty for sure!

What kind of bridge and pickups are you using?

This is my first P90 guitar while I love it I'm still trying to get use to the sound, especially the sound of the low end. I'm so use to humbuckers and the P90's have a low end sound that I call "snarky." Somewhat single coil like. But the high end has a lot of strength to it.
 

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The thing that gets me with P90s is the neck pup and its crispness compared to a humbucker, the clearer richer tone.
 

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The thing that gets me with P90s is the neck pup and its crispness compared to a humbucker, the clearer richer tone.
Based on my very, very limited exposure to P90's (this is my first P90 guitar) the "neck pickup crispness" was non exsistant with the stock pickup.. It was unusable and I'm not the only person here who said this. Way, way louder than the bridge pickup, way too boomey and no clarity what so ever. Don't understand why Gibson does this.

Not at all saying you're wrong, but this wasn't the case with my guitar. But I loved how the guitar played and knew I could find better pickups.
 

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Gibson probably did this because people played Jazz on P90s.
If you want more clarity/crispness/whatever from the neck pickup, crank the amp up and turn the volume down on the guitar.
Or, dime the treble on your amp and adjust the tone on the guitar.
Or both.
P90s are not for folks who keep the guitar controls on 10 all the time.
 

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Based on my very, very limited exposure to P90's (this is my first P90 guitar) the "neck pickup crispness" was non exsistant with the stock pickup.. It was unusable and I'm not the only person here who said this. Way, way louder than the bridge pickup, way too boomey and no clarity what so ever. Don't understand why Gibson does this.

Not at all saying you're wrong, but this wasn't the case with my guitar. But I loved how the guitar played and knew I could find better pickups.
Yours would be the exception and good you've got it how you want it now(y)
 

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Question. In the Gibson Collection interview series with Brad Whitford, he was showing one of his 50's LP's with P90's and he said "these pickups are very hot." He also said some of the P90's from that era are "very explosive." Just how hot were some of the P90's from that era?
My 59 Junior P90 reads 10.25K thru the pots & a cable to the multi-meter. So 10.5K is what it is without the pots/caps involved. If you need a P90 set with that degree of heat, get some Jim Wagner G90 pickups. He modeled them after my 59 Jr years ago.
 

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Yours would be the exception and good you've got it how you want it now(y)
I'm still working with it and am getting there bit by bit. The thing I'm trying to get use to is this: I don't know if this is typical of the P90 sound and I'll do my best to explain it. On the bridge pickup, the tone I get from the plain strings sounds more towards humbucking territory while the wound string sound like single coil territory. As I described it earlier, the way I describe the tone of the wound strings is very "snarky" if that makes any sense at all. Mind you I am so used to the humbucker sound (which sounds very full and even across all strings) and I'm finding P90's to be rather challending. But I do like it! Get a good loud, strong, robust clean amp sound, hit those strings and its "KA-RANG!" What's not to love about that?

So with the way I tried to describe the "two sounds" I'm hearing from the bridge pickup, is this typical for a P90 bridge pickup?
 

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My 59 Junior P90 reads 10.25K thru the pots & a cable to the multi-meter. So 10.5K is what it is without the pots/caps involved. If you need a P90 set with that degree of heat, get some Jim Wagner G90 pickups. He modeled them after my 59 Jr years ago.
Thanks! By chance do you have any sound samples of your guitar anywhere? I'd love to hear what that pickup sounds like.
 

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I'm still working with it and am getting there bit by bit. The thing I'm trying to get use to is this: I don't know if this is typical of the P90 sound and I'll do my best to explain it. On the bridge pickup, the tone I get from the plain strings sounds more towards humbucking territory while the wound string sound like single coil territory. As I described it earlier, the way I describe the tone of the wound strings is very "snarky" if that makes any sense at all. Mind you I am so used to the humbucker sound (which sounds very full and even across all strings) and I'm finding P90's to be rather challending. But I do like it! Get a good loud, strong, robust clean amp sound, hit those strings and its "KA-RANG!" What's not to love about that?

So with the way I tried to describe the "two sounds" I'm hearing from the bridge pickup, is this typical for a P90 bridge pickup?
The tone is described as 'a tele on steroids' without going into the minutiae of it all.
 
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