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Current 1957 - 1958 Goldtops for sale...

mipstoo

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Yes, the serial number seems way to high for black parts. :)

I would expect cream parts indeed.
And I would also expect PAF stickers...

Any more info on this one? The Facebook link doesn't work for me. Was it for sale? If yes, how much?
 

richard henry

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I would expect cream parts indeed.
And I would also expect PAF stickers...

Any more info on this one? The Facebook link doesn't work for me. Was it for sale? If yes, how much?

It appears to be still for sale. Here's all the info I have.

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xyz123

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Yes, the serial number seems way to high for black parts. :)

>>Re: Manufacturing Date 1957 Goldtops

>>Not really. Serial numbers were not necessarily in numerical order.

>>There are left handed PAF 57 Goldtops with cream parts that have lower serial numbers than right hand black parts versions. [Burst Serial]

But then, how does this fit?
 

Tom Wittrock

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>>Re: Manufacturing Date 1957 Goldtops

>>Not really. Serial numbers were not necessarily in numerical order.

>>There are left handed PAF 57 Goldtops with cream parts that have lower serial numbers than right hand black parts versions. [Burst Serial]

But then, how does this fit?

As I said [and you quoted], it doesn't seem to fit.

In all likelihood the plastic was changed. :ganz
 

T.Allen

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"1958 Gibson Les Paul. An early PAF-equipped Les Paul featuring a Goldtop finish with the rare “darkback”! This guitar is lightweight and resonant at only 8 lbs, 4 oz and absolutely sings! Very good condition with some finish checking, dings and buckle wear, giving the guitar a perfectly worn-in feel. The tuners were replaced at some point in the past with the tuner holes slightly reamed, but the original tuners are currently back on the guitar. Tailpiece replaced and the metal covers from the humbuckers have been removed, but are intact and included. Otherwise, this guitar is in original condition and a fine player. The original PAFs sound fantastic delivering warm, clear cleans and complex, harmonically rich overdriven tones with unparalleled dynamic sensitivity. Includes original hardshell case."

$120K
 

marfen

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There's a Pick of the Day video demo of this one. Nice to see informative demo vids like Emerald City's on these beauties. Likewise with Carter's, CME, etc.
 

Rich R

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I find Emerald City's prices for their featured vintage pieces to be consistently too high, to say nothing of Carter's.

I suggest that anyone contemplating the purchase at the top end of the vintage guitar market (Burst, PAF GT, rare Strat, etc):
1) Get the funds together
2) Go shopping. This doesn't mean doing a search on Google. It means going to shows, meeting and most importantly developing a rapport with influential figures in the marketplace. Sure, there's some assholes, but most are just normal people who happen to be really into vintage guitars, usually for decades. Most of these hard-to-get guitars are sold from one collector to another, with the facilitator taking their cut--they're not hanging on the wall at a "vintage guitar shop", waiting for a sucker.
3) Take your time. Be respectful. If someone does you a solid by informing you of a potential buy, don't immediately start arguing over price. There is almost always some wiggle room, but don't obsess over it.

If you approach the project with humility and intelligence, you'll wind up a lot closer to the price-guide price than the YouTube price.
 

goldtop0

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I suggest that anyone contemplating the purchase at the top end of the vintage guitar market (Burst, PAF GT, rare Strat, etc):
1) Get the funds together
2) Go shopping. This doesn't mean doing a search on Google. It means going to shows, meeting and most importantly developing a rapport with influential figures in the marketplace. Sure, there's some assholes, but most are just normal people who happen to be really into vintage guitars, usually for decades. Most of these hard-to-get guitars are sold from one collector to another, with the facilitator taking their cut--they're not hanging on the wall at a "vintage guitar shop", waiting for a sucker.
3) Take your time. Be respectful. If someone does you a solid by informing you of a potential buy, don't immediately start arguing over price. There is almost always some wiggle room, but don't obsess over it.

If you approach the project with humility and intelligence, you'll wind up a lot closer to the price-guide price than the YouTube price.



Sage advice...............that can be applied in all areas of life.:salude
 

deytookerjaabs

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That's pretty.
 

agogetr

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All the ones I have seen [that seemed original] had low serial numbers.
Seems like 7-3XXX and higher are cream. :hmm
# 7 25xx on my black plastic one. it smokes my burst. my pals cream plastic one smokes his burst.
folks with crypto will be popping 200k for these gold tops before you know it. if my clouded estimation is correct
 

bern1

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Why would anybody even consider ”going there” at this point?

For starters, I would expect better photos of anything in this price range.
 

agogetr

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I find Emerald City's prices for their featured vintage pieces to be consistently too high, to say nothing of Carter's.

I suggest that anyone contemplating the purchase at the top end of the vintage guitar market (Burst, PAF GT, rare Strat, etc):
1) Get the funds together
2) Go shopping. This doesn't mean doing a search on Google. It means going to shows, meeting and most importantly developing a rapport with influential figures in the marketplace. Sure, there's some assholes, but most are just normal people who happen to be really into vintage guitars, usually for decades. Most of these hard-to-get guitars are sold from one collector to another, with the facilitator taking their cut--they're not hanging on the wall at a "vintage guitar shop", waiting for a sucker.
3) Take your time. Be respectful. If someone does you a solid by informing you of a potential buy, don't immediately start arguing over price. There is almost always some wiggle room, but don't obsess over it.

If you approach the project with humility and intelligence, you'll wind up a lot closer to the price-guide price than the YouTube price.


humiility and inteigence ?... that puts me out of the running
 

sws1

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Out of curiosity, what do we have here, fellas?

https://reverb.com/item/40688643-gibson-les-paul-1957-gold-top-pafs-black-hardware

I know the reputation of the seller, just curious about some opinions on that guitar. If it is what they are claiming, the price is not too bad.

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Assuming it's legit, it appears to be all mahogany. No maple top.
But there are other things that raise questions, and that's probably affecting the price.
- high logo means very late 57; Black plastic was early 57
- Missing paint in neck cavity.
- Series 2 font on poker chip; ill-fitting guard
etc
 

Wilko

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When I joined the forum in 2001 I was looking for a goldtop and a beater was around 25k. I opted for a couple of '68s at around 3k each. Times have changed.
 

goldtop0

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When I joined the forum in 2001 I was looking for a goldtop and a beater was around 25k. I opted for a couple of '68s at around 3k each. Times have changed.

Interested to know why you bought two of them.
 
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