True Historic ´59 Bavarian Makeover

[hoss]

I Used a TH guitar because I wanted it to be as close to an original as possible. A regular Standard Historic has the wrong shape on the cutaway and the big cavity for starters.
Also the TH guitars have much better mahogny.

Thank's I did not know that. I left the "Historic market" in 2012 and the new model lines totally confuse me.

 

[asapmaz]

Fixed!

Thank Goodness!!
Looks awesome now.

 

[GastonG]

I Used a TH guitar because I wanted it to be as close to an original as possible. A regular Standard Historic has the wrong shape on the cutaway and the big cavity for starters.
Also the TH guitars have much better mahogny.

Orreman, quite a project and your reissue looks fantastic now ! Magnificient job by this Master Luthier.

Just want to point out that a True Historic LP also have a wrong shape on the cutaway (too thin). When I first saw a TH for the first time last year, this (the cutaway) is what I noticed being "wrong" at first sight. The standard Historic's cutaway is beefier like an original but less pointy.

Gaston :salude

 

[DoubleBoogie]

:dude::dude::dude: Congratulations Orreman! That thing is just spectacular in my book! I really enjoyed this thread and seeing the progress. Thanks for sharing it with us. I look forward to the videos too. :hank:salude

 

[djcmusician]

Curious about the plastics. Truss Rod Cover, back plates, poker chip, switch tip, PG, Rings, Output jack plate. Are these all from the TH, or have they been changed?

 

[Orreman]

Orreman, quite a project and your reissue looks fantastic now ! Magnificient job by this Master Luthier.

Just want to point out that a True Historic LP also have a wrong shape on the cutaway (too thin). When I first saw a TH for the first time last year, this (the cutaway) is what I noticed being "wrong" at first sight. The standard Historic's cutaway is beefier like an original but less pointy.

Gaston :salude

Sorry man, but you couldn't be more wrong. I know for a fact that Edvin Wilson and the guys at Gibson CS measured many originals to get the shape right on the TH series.
The difference between a TH and a standard historic is that the cutaway is deeper on the TH.

Here are some pictures:

My TH:

An original '59 Burst:

As you can see, the shape is pretty much identical.

 

[Orreman]

Curious about the plastics. Truss Rod Cover, back plates, poker chip, switch tip, PG, Rings, Output jack plate. Are these all from the TH, or have they been changed?

Here's a (pretty) complete list:

- Pickguard: Original True Historic
- Pickup rings: DMC Ver. 2, Aged
- Pickups: Area 59 P.A.F limited double whites, aged
- Pickup Covers: Original True Historic. Aged by Mr. Jäger
- Switch tip: DMC, aged
- Switch Ring: Montreux Time Machine, aged
- ABR-1: Art Of Aging. Burst shaped.
- Tailpiece: DMC, Aged
- Tuners: Kluson w. Aged DMC tips
- Trussrod Cover: Wizz, rolled and aged.
- Knobs: DMC, aged
- Input jack plate: Montreux Time Machine, aged
- Studs: Montreux Time Machine, aged and Cryo treated.

 

[marshall1987]

Here's a (pretty) complete list:

- Pickguard: Original True Historic
- Pickup rings: DMC Ver. 2, Aged
- Pickups: Area 59 P.A.F limited double whites, aged
- Pickup Covers: Original True Historic. Aged by Mr. Jäger
- Switch tip: DMC, aged
- Switch Ring: Montreux Time Machine, aged
- ABR-1: Art Of Aging. Burst shaped.
- Tailpiece: DMC, Aged
- Tuners: Kluson w. Aged DMC tips
- Trussrod Cover: Wizz, rolled and aged.
- Knobs: DMC, aged
- Input jack plate: Montreux Time Machine, aged
- Studs: Montreux Time Machine, aged and Cryo treated.

This list of changed and/or "upgraded" plastics and hardware suggests that the Les Paul True Historic equivalent parts, which Gibson spent so much time and expense on getting right, were not up to your or Florian's standards. Doesn't say much for the True Historic Les Paul line.

 

[GastonG]

Sorry man, but you couldn't be more wrong. I know for a fact that Edvin Wilson and the guys at Gibson CS measured many originals to get the shape right on the TH series.
The difference between a TH and a standard historic is that the cutaway is deeper on the TH.

As you can see, the shape is pretty much identical.

pretty much identical ???? Nope !
Just look at this old burst of mine:

If you find the TH cutaway close to this, then you're right and I'm wrong ! but you can ask Mike Slub, Tom W., Charles D. or any burst owner here, and if I'm wrong, I'll be at the crossroad...

or that one ?

 

[CAGinLA]

This list of changed and/or "upgraded" plastics and hardware suggests that the Les Paul True Historic equivalent parts, which Gibson spent so much time and expense on getting right, were not up to your or Florian's standards. Doesn't say much for the True Historic Les Paul line.

All it says about the TH line is that it doesn't come with the specific aging that Orreman wanted for this particular guitar.

Why do so many people on message boards suffer from True Historic Derangement Syndrome? They're great guitars!

 

[latestarter]

All the debates aside, that's a fine looking guitar. Congrats.

 

[marshall1987]

All it says about the TH line is that it doesn't come with the specific aging that Orreman wanted for this particular guitar.

Why do so many people on message boards suffer from True Historic Derangement Syndrome? They're great guitars!

:bigal are you talking about.

I don't own a True Historic and have never even seen one in person. I'm just curious why all the original plastics were changed for aftermarket equivalents? Orreman must have had his reasons. Florian could just have easily aged the True Historic plastics and other parts if he chose to do so.

Derangement Syndrome? Get a grip. Hah! Suggest you lay off the Starbucks while on message boards.:teeth

 

[Orreman]

pretty much identical ???? Nope !
Just look at this old burst of mine:

If you find the TH cutaway close to this, then you're right and I'm wrong ! but you can ask Mike Slub, Tom W., Charles D. or any burst owner here, and if I'm wrong, I'll be at the crossroad...

or that one ?

Hey! I clearly see the difference! Sorry. This means that once again Gibson is full of s%&t.

 

[CAGinLA]

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:bigal are you talking about.

I don't own a True Historic and have never even seen one in person. I'm just curious why all the original plastics were changed for aftermarket equivalents? Orreman must have had his reasons. Florian could just have easily aged the True Historic plastics and other parts if he chose to do so.

Derangement Syndrome? Get a grip. Hah! Suggest you lay off the Starbucks while on message boards.:teeth

I suggest you re-read your previous post - pretty much a classic example of concern trolling and THDS.

 

[sws1]

Hey! I clearly see the difference! Sorry. This means that once again Gibson is full of s%&t.

Funny. I own both old and new LPs, and for the life of me, I can't see the difference. I believe Gaston when it says it's different, by my eyes simply don't see it. And part of me doesn't want to see it, for fear that I'll notice it all the time now.

 

[RavenTooth]

It seems like the original cutouts are deeper so there is less maple top visible between the top of the pick guard and the binding.

 

[J.D.]

Geez, guys, relax. This guitar is incredible and exactly built as the OP wants. He was kind enough to share it. No need to nit pick. It was and still is a reissue, not a '50s Burst or exact replica.

 

[hoss]

It seems like the original cutouts are deeper so there is less maple top visible between the top of the pick guard and the binding.

This or the angle of the camera lens to the top of the guitar.

 

[asapmaz]

It seems like the original cutouts are deeper so there is less maple top visible between the top of the pick guard and the binding.

Deeper and wider. I've been saying the same thing for so long. Gibson hasn't gotten the cutaway right in any reissue, ever.

 

[marshall1987]

I suggest you re-read your previous post - pretty much a classic example of concern trolling and THDS.

Hey pal.....I don't know what your agenda is. But if it is to stir up shit on this thread, you have succeeded. You need to hit the pause button, and take a deep breath. And pull your head out of your arse.