PAF Lead Wires??

[325-at-2pm]

I've spent about 1/2 of the day reading a lot of history about PAFs, PAT#s, TTOPs, etc.

A few questions that seem to be unresolved:

1) Are there PAFs with white and black leads?
2) Are there PAFs with slotted brass screws?
3) Are there bunchs of relabeled PAT# floating around out there as PAFs, and if so is it easy to tell by the sticker itself?

 

[Rev.WillieVK]

I've spent about 1/2 of the day reading a lot of history about PAFs, PAT#s, TTOPs, etc.

A few questions that seem to be unresolved:

1) Are there PAFs with white and black leads?

No (unless somebody corrects me)

2) Are there PAFs with slotted brass screws?

Yes

3) Are there bunchs of relabeled PAT# floating around out there as PAFs, and if so is it easy to tell by the sticker itself?

Yes. PAF stickers have a distinctive look (raised letters, gold flecks, greenish edges, font, etc.). See "PAF Identification" off of the Home page for more details.

 

[DrRobert]

A harder question is, if the sticker falls off an early Pat# and a late PAF-can you tell the difference? Are there people promoting their 63 Pat#s to PAFs by removing the stickers?

 

[plaintop]

When Gibson closed the original factory a lot of leftover stickers got out. Not to mention all the aftermarket stickers that were made. Dealers would replace patent # stickers to get more $$$ from early 60s instruments.

 

[585960]

Dealers would replace patent # stickers to get more $$$ from early 60s instruments.

I would think more dirt bags would do it than dealers!

 

[plaintop]

I would think more dirt bags would do it than dealers!

Is there a difference? :lol1

 

[eddie101]

Is there a difference? :lol1

That is a major "ouch!" :lol2

 

[Wiggy]

A harder question is, if the sticker falls off an early Pat# and a late PAF-can you tell the difference? Are there people promoting their 63 Pat#s to PAFs by removing the stickers?

Yes, there is a difference, generally.
The black lead wires (PAF's only had black) will be coming out from the BOTTOM of the bobbin, NOT the side.
I've owned a Byrdland PAF with the lead wire coming from the side (the sticker proved it)

However, there are ALWAYS exceptions to this rule.
Remember, they didn't care about PAF's, they were no big deal back then and it was production as usual.

 

[Tom Wittrock]

Is there a difference? :lol1

:toobad

And to think, I was putting you in my will for Sandy, and here I find you think I am a dirtbag. :dang :wink2

 

[kookaburra]

Give it to me then. For I say 'a man is no dirtbag if he gives bursts to the kookaburra'.

Jon

 

[plaintop]

:toobad

And to think, I was putting you in my will for Sandy, and here I find you think I am a dirtbag. :dang :wink2

Oh Tom, I didn't mean you. The dirtbags know who they are. I bet there are a lot of unhappy people out there. Some of the horror stories I have heard. :toobad

I wouldn't want Sandy, although I am flattered you would think of me. I will take that beat old conversion of yours. :dude

 

[Tom Wittrock]

Oh Tom, I didn't mean you. The dirtbags know who they are. I bet there are a lot of unhappy people out there. Some of the horror stories I have heard. :toobad

I wouldn't want Sandy, although I am flattered you would think of me. I will take that beat old conversion of yours. :dude

Not to worry, fellas.
I decided on a flametop funeral pyre.spin

 

[johnnyjellybean]

Yes, there is a difference, generally.
The black lead wires (PAF's only had black) will be coming out from the BOTTOM of the bobbin, NOT the side.

Actually one from the bottom and one from the side and same thing goes for early pat#s

 

[325-at-2pm]

OK, here's a further spin on the situation:


Of the 4 or 5 pre-Ttop Pat# pickups that I have with the black and white leads, 3 of them have the original dark coils and 2 of them have the brighter coil wire.

I suppose you all would be telling me that the darker coils are probably going to be better, right?

 

[585960]

no, the dirt bags will!!:lolspin :lolspin

 

[Tom Wittrock]

no, the dirt bags will!!:lolspin :lolspin

:wha




It is always best, if you decide for yourself, what "sounds better".
:wail

 

[325-at-2pm]

It is always best, if you decide for yourself, what "sounds better".

Yes, I kind of thought that's what you might say. Of course are there increased odds that the darker wire is probably going to sound better anyway? spin

 

[Tom Wittrock]

Yes, I kind of thought that's what you might say. Of course are there increased odds that the darker wire is probably going to sound better anyway? spin

Define "better".

 

[325-at-2pm]

Define "better".

One way of defining better would be to say "closer to a good sounding PAF".