Original Tweed Deluxe - what are the options available today

[ADP]

This thread turned into a joke real quick...

 

[Wilko]

This thread turned into a joke real quick...

Yes, because of you.

Victoria makes great amps, and so do many other small makers. The fucking Fender sounds great with a good speaker. I like the Celestion Blue for these. real responsive like a vintage jensen but more efficient allowing for better dynamics


Who made you the only guy who knows what a good tweed deluxe is? Just like guitars vary, maybe when you like in a tweed deluxe, I'd hate.

It's not rocket surgery.

 

[ADP]

Yes, because of you.

Vistoria makes great amps, and so do many other small makers. The fucking Fender sounds great witha good speaker.

Who made you the only guy who knows what a good tweed deluxe is? Just like guitars vary, maybe when you like in a tweed deluxe, I'd hate.

It's not rocket surgery.

It's how they are built and the parts that are used.

Who did Fender call when they decided to make Gretsch amps? Again, the joke is on anyone who falls for modern day marketing hype and not actually quality and build layout.

The amount of quality amp designers and builders left can be counted on one hand.

 

[jb_abides]

Perspective is key, and

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of...

Victoria-age minds.

 

[ADP]

A shootout of vintage amps including an AC30 and a blackface Fender, how is that related to this thread in any way? Also nice job of dragging the youtube influencers in. Hahaha

 

[Wilko]

ADP. WTF?

There are plenty of makers that make lovely 5E3 amps with good components. Victoria is NOT the only one.

I’ve never played a Lazy J, and by all accounts they are built very well with good components and are reviewed very favorably.

For me, personally, I’m like you in that I believe the simpler circuit is one of the great qualities. My main gigging amps in order of use are 1972 Princeton Reverb with alnico Blue 12” . 1964 deluxe reverb, gds kit 1974 w/20 watt greenback that I built. I own a but load of very basic amps .my “tweed deluxe” is a 1956 Rickenbacker M-11. I totally get what you are trying to say, but seriously, Victoria only owns a good reputation. They are NOT the only game in town.

 

[ADP]

ADP. WTF?

There are plenty of makers that make lovely 5E3 amps with good components. Victoria is NOT the only one.

I’ve never played a Lazy J, and by all accounts they are built very well with good components and are reviewed very favorably.

For me, personally, I’m like you in that I believe the simpler circuit is one of the great qualities. My main gigging amps in order of use are 1972 Princeton Reverb with alnico Blue 12” . 1964 deluxe reverb, gds kit 1974 w/20 watt greenback that I built. I own a but load of very basic amps .my “tweed deluxe” is a 1956 Rickenbacker M-11. I totally get what you are trying to say, but seriously, Victoria only owns a good reputation. They are NOT the only game in town.

Less than a select few builders out there, everyone else is "paint by numbers" bull-shit. Marekted to the inexperienced and ignorant. You're not doing any player looking for advice any service by suggesting crap with a "buffered effects loop" or "enhanced reverb" on a tweed circuit.

If you want to buy em all and open them up and waste your time learning from experience on your own, that's fine... I'm just trying to save you your time.

 

[renderit]

I think ignorance has a new name.

I act stupid in trying to be funny, maybe a hit or miss.

But when you hear it repeatedly wearing like a badge of honor, well...

Can't beat that folks. I give up.

 

[ADP]

I think ignorance has a new name.

I act stupid in trying to be funny, maybe a hit or miss.

But when you hear it repeatedly wearing like a badge of honor, well...

Can't beat that folks. I give up.

I'm just tired of seeing these inexperienced internet-folk chalk up these shit brands and pedals.

There's a reason everything sounded amazing in the 60's and just about everything today is a fake approximation and sounds like absolute trash. At least to those of us who can discern quality.

You can't just "make em like they used to" anymore. The modern economic infrastructure doesn't have time for vaccuum tubes or old technology. It's that simple. It was easy to make it right if you were in the 50's. Everything built then, likely still works today!

 

[Wilko]

“shit brands”

Lazy j
Kendrick
Fender
Victoria
Gemini,
Etc.

All shit brands? Really?

What the fuck do you know about them?

You’re not saving anyone any time. Your ignorance is showing

 

[ADP]

“shit brands”

Lazy j
Kendrick
Fender
Victoria
Gemini,
Etc.

All shit brands? Really?

What the fuck do you know about them?

You’re not saving anyone any time. Your ignorance is showing

Victoria, obviously, is NOT on my list. The rest, yes, they are .... Let's use the word "inferior products". Considering I've had them all, I'd like to believe I'm saving people time. Sure everything is speculative, sometimes a shit amp is the tone required... But build quality, parts quality, and overall construction: There is no debate!

Even Fender itself knows Victoria produces a better product. Ask these builders themselves.

EDIT: Just Victoria's logo alone has more thought and design into it, developed by the same guy who did Apple computers (for those that are ignorant).

 

[torren61]

You've had an amp from every manufacturer of Tweed amps ever built? Have you ever actually owned a vintage Tweed amp? I think you've had one amp... a Victoria. Congrats on picking an amp that seems to have a good reputation... like a lot of other amp companies.

Here's a thought: People don't like to have their gear called "shit". Especially when they know it's not. People don't like to hear some guy tell them one piece of gear is the pinnacle of all other gear and everyone must bow down and worship the builder because he's a god among other amp builders.

Who are you anyway? What qualifications do you possess to credibly tell everyone else their gear is shit? Are you an amp tester? What do you do for a living? How old are you? How many amps have you actually owned?

 

[ourmaninthenorth]

I've been busy in the shed knocking these up, lest I be further accused of not giving a shite about this dodge.

Particularly useful in picking up the tonal qualities of logo badges....Gents I shit you not, these puppies can pick up a gnat opening it's wallet.

To the amps was the cry.....



And, while we're at it, the pat pending face covering device that I single handedly (some would say offhandedly) invented to counteract the recent plague, can also double up in the picking out of individual resistors and caps in those blind tests. Impossible I hear you say? Well if you can't do it, more fool you, and further you're no friend of mine.

Bloody amateurs.

https://imgur.com/YL16Z0H

 

[torren61]

Yeah, sure...

 

[charliechitlins]

Boy...this forum is a little sleepy, but if you push the right button, it really wakes up!

 

[charliechitlins]

BTW...last night at rehearsal, I used my go-to rig...58 5F6A Bassman, '64 Fender Reverb, '71 Les Paul with Antiquities.
When I comment on stuff, I make sure it's from experience.
I have my preferences, but, when appropriate, I try to stick to direct comparisons.
I had a Kendrick BadAssMan (such a goofy name!) and after swapping the proper tube in V1 (it calls for a 12ax7), i could make it sound virtually indistinguishable from my original '58, although I had to use all different settings to achieve it.
The L'il Dawg I had sounded great with a vintage P12R and compared very favorably to my '56, without sounding JUST like it.
I can, at low volume, get the Lester on the neck pickup to sound just like the unmolested PAF in my '58 175 (that surprised me).
I can even tweak my cheapo Biyang reverb pedal to sound so much like my vintage Fender outboard unit, I wouldn't want to have any significant money riding on my ability to tell the difference.
There are a LOT of ways to get good sounds.
2 original 5E3s will not sound the same, so which sound do you go for?
The one you LIKE.
Or, more often, the one you HAVE.
It's a fools errand to try to make a new amp sound like a 60 year old one.
The 60 year old one, although we love it, may sound nothing like it did 60 years ago.
For all we know, somebody in China is knocking off 5E3s that sound exactly the way they did in 1959.
When folks swap 6 sets of PAF clones into their Lester, they're usually chasing a sound that PLEASES THEM; they're seldom comparing them with a '59 'burst.
Basically, if it sounds good, it IS good.
It's usually all we've got.

 

[Wilko]

Apparently ADP is the only guy who knows that good components make a good amp.

(secret: sometimes its a crappy component that holds the magic)

A goddam tube depot kit with heyboers will sound just as good as a victoria. I'd bet none of us here could tell the difference in a blind test.

 

[torren61]

BTW...last night at rehearsal, I used my go-to rig...58 5F6A Bassman, '64 Fender Reverb, '71 Les Paul with Antiquities.
When I comment on stuff, I make sure it's from experience.
I have my preferences, but, when appropriate, I try to stick to direct comparisons.
I had a Kendrick BadAssMan (such a goofy name!) and after swapping the proper tube in V1 (it calls for a 12ax7), i could make it sound virtually indistinguishable from my original '58, although I had to use all different settings to achieve it.
The L'il Dawg I had sounded great with a vintage P12R and compared very favorably to my '56, without sounding JUST like it.
I can, at low volume, get the Lester on the neck pickup to sound just like the unmolested PAF in my '58 175 (that surprised me).
I can even tweak my cheapo Biyang reverb pedal to sound so much like my vintage Fender outboard unit, I wouldn't want to have any significant money riding on my ability to tell the difference.
There are a LOT of ways to get good sounds.
2 original 5E3s will not sound the same, so which sound do you go for?
The one you LIKE.
Or, more often, the one you HAVE.
It's a fools errand to try to make a new amp sound like a 60 year old one.
The 60 year old one, although we love it, may sound nothing like it did 60 years ago.
For all we know, somebody in China is knocking off 5E3s that sound exactly the way they did in 1959.
When folks swap 6 sets of PAF clones into their Lester, they're usually chasing a sound that PLEASES THEM; they're seldom comparing them with a '59 'burst.
Basically, if it sounds good, it IS good.
It's usually all we've got.

Oh wait, so you're saying that some components like resistors and capacitors can "drift" over 65 years and the sound you're hearing from that 50s Tweed Deluxe may not be the way it sounded when it was new? And you're saying that not all Tweeds from the 50s sounded exactly the same when they left the factory? And you're saying that you can get a close enough approximation of what some Tweeds sound like, your Tweed for the sake of this point, with other amps that the vast majority of listeners wouldn't be able to consistently pick the $10,000 Tweed from the much cheaper contemporary amp? And you're saying that the sound we like is to our own taste and is vastly a subjective observation and that some people may actually prefer other amps to a Victoria and to claim ANY amp is the best of the best is a foolish statement? Good points.

 

[MrNubs]

did some probing and found this

so, ADP, don't let this chit go to your head, because I don't condone arrogance

so, without further ado

it's interlude time ...

 

[jb_abides]

What a joke recording with Shure SM-57 when everyone knows they can't match a Telefunken M81! Ask anyone.