- Jul 16, 2015
This thread turned into a joke real quick...
Yes, because of you.This thread turned into a joke real quick...
It's how they are built and the parts that are used.Yes, because of you.
Vistoria makes great amps, and so do many other small makers. The fucking Fender sounds great witha good speaker.
Who made you the only guy who knows what a good tweed deluxe is? Just like guitars vary, maybe when you like in a tweed deluxe, I'd hate.
It's not rocket surgery.
Less than a select few builders out there, everyone else is "paint by numbers" bull-shit. Marekted to the inexperienced and ignorant. You're not doing any player looking for advice any service by suggesting crap with a "buffered effects loop" or "enhanced reverb" on a tweed circuit.ADP. WTF?
There are plenty of makers that make lovely 5E3 amps with good components. Victoria is NOT the only one.
I’ve never played a Lazy J, and by all accounts they are built very well with good components and are reviewed very favorably.
For me, personally, I’m like you in that I believe the simpler circuit is one of the great qualities. My main gigging amps in order of use are 1972 Princeton Reverb with alnico Blue 12” . 1964 deluxe reverb, gds kit 1974 w/20 watt greenback that I built. I own a but load of very basic amps .my “tweed deluxe” is a 1956 Rickenbacker M-11. I totally get what you are trying to say, but seriously, Victoria only owns a good reputation. They are NOT the only game in town.
I'm just tired of seeing these inexperienced internet-folk chalk up these shit brands and pedals.I think ignorance has a new name.
I act stupid in trying to be funny, maybe a hit or miss.
But when you hear it repeatedly wearing like a badge of honor, well...
Can't beat that folks. I give up.
Victoria, obviously, is NOT on my list. The rest, yes, they are .... Let's use the word "inferior products". Considering I've had them all, I'd like to believe I'm saving people time. Sure everything is speculative, sometimes a shit amp is the tone required... But build quality, parts quality, and overall construction: There is no debate!“shit brands”
All shit brands? Really?
What the fuck do you know about them?
You’re not saving anyone any time. Your ignorance is showing
Oh wait, so you're saying that some components like resistors and capacitors can "drift" over 65 years and the sound you're hearing from that 50s Tweed Deluxe may not be the way it sounded when it was new? And you're saying that not all Tweeds from the 50s sounded exactly the same when they left the factory? And you're saying that you can get a close enough approximation of what some Tweeds sound like, your Tweed for the sake of this point, with other amps that the vast majority of listeners wouldn't be able to consistently pick the $10,000 Tweed from the much cheaper contemporary amp? And you're saying that the sound we like is to our own taste and is vastly a subjective observation and that some people may actually prefer other amps to a Victoria and to claim ANY amp is the best of the best is a foolish statement? Good points.BTW...last night at rehearsal, I used my go-to rig...58 5F6A Bassman, '64 Fender Reverb, '71 Les Paul with Antiquities.
When I comment on stuff, I make sure it's from experience.
I have my preferences, but, when appropriate, I try to stick to direct comparisons.
I had a Kendrick BadAssMan (such a goofy name!) and after swapping the proper tube in V1 (it calls for a 12ax7), i could make it sound virtually indistinguishable from my original '58, although I had to use all different settings to achieve it.
The L'il Dawg I had sounded great with a vintage P12R and compared very favorably to my '56, without sounding JUST like it.
I can, at low volume, get the Lester on the neck pickup to sound just like the unmolested PAF in my '58 175 (that surprised me).
I can even tweak my cheapo Biyang reverb pedal to sound so much like my vintage Fender outboard unit, I wouldn't want to have any significant money riding on my ability to tell the difference.
There are a LOT of ways to get good sounds.
2 original 5E3s will not sound the same, so which sound do you go for?
The one you LIKE.
Or, more often, the one you HAVE.
It's a fools errand to try to make a new amp sound like a 60 year old one.
The 60 year old one, although we love it, may sound nothing like it did 60 years ago.
For all we know, somebody in China is knocking off 5E3s that sound exactly the way they did in 1959.
When folks swap 6 sets of PAF clones into their Lester, they're usually chasing a sound that PLEASES THEM; they're seldom comparing them with a '59 'burst.
Basically, if it sounds good, it IS good.
It's usually all we've got.