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Four Uncles ABR-1 bridge just in and...

bursty

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18 pages of thread about a bridge?
Reminds me of George C. Parker telling folks he would sell them the Brooklyn Bridge ....... :eek:
 

m bernardi

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I don't know if people seen my post on the 63 bridge , 4 uncles and limited edition CRazy parts bridge tone test I did but there was a difference!!! if you e-mail me at backstop62@aol.com I will send you the sound samples it my be a couple of days before I get them to you!!! but remember one bridge may sound good on one guitar but not another!!!! you do not want to put a bright bridge on a bright guitar it may sound to bright !!!!!
 

J T

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Don't worry about it. Put on whatever bridge floats your boat. Any bad frequencies will all get EQ'd out in the studio or at FOH.
 

Nick-O

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Don't worry about it. Put on whatever bridge floats your boat. Any bad frequencies will all get EQ'd out in the studio or at FOH.
This is not a rude or negative comment.
FOH is inconsistent, as is the room, sound equipment, and audience number (mass that soaks in higher frequencies)
You can dial in all week and have it nailed only to have someone use their ear and often eliminate all your efforts.
Doesn't mean we never stop trying, but continue to learn how to compensate for it on the fly with the minimum of outboard gear.
Can a bridge make the difference?
If it contributes to your overall base tone, yes, absolutely.
Most important, does it motivate you to play, and play well?


.02¢
 
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tdarian

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How do people like brass, like the milled brass ABM?
I tried one on one LP and it didn’t work out liked I’d hoped. I tried one on a bright R7 that I was trying to warm up. The brass bridge certainly warmed things up but to an overboard degree, very damped down with reduced harmonics. I tried both steel and brass thumbwheels with the brass ABR1 and it was still too much.

I separately tried a bell brass tailpiece that came from Philadelphia Luthier Supply and it made things similarly over damped.
 

Wizard1183

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat improved tone, really, my Murphy Lab sounds a lot better with this bridge ! Clear and warm tone on all strings, notes are richer fatter fuller.

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I just put one on mine and 100% agree it’s night and day vs Gibson’s ABR-1. The original ABR-1 chokes. Granted I changed the thumbwheels to brass as well during the change? But 100% tone is clearer, warmer and louder
 

ToneHenge

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I tried to reach out to Dave who sells these in the USA because my friend has the Four Uncles bridge, and he recommended it. I never got a response. Good luck to those who have been able to get a response!

I opted for the Cooper bridge, and to me they sound nearly the same when comparing it to my friends Four Uncles bridge but other more important factors could be an issue like actually practicing the guitar or the amp. We agreed that the Cooper bridge was better made, especially the plating as I ordered NOS, and that it had better sustain. They both have certain inaccuracies look wise to the old ones I have, but I know Cooper is always making his stuff better. The difference was not night and day in sound from the Historic bridges we had. What was night and day was the Customer Service I received from Cooper. After our comparisons, my friend replaced his Four Uncles bridge with the Cooper. As a long time viewer here, I see many people pumping this Four Uncles bridge who have not done direct comparisons with better, and I thought I'd offer my two cents and support for the home grown company I had a positive experience with.
 
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Wizard1183

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I tried to reach out to Dave who sells these in the USA because my friend has the Four Uncles bridge, and he recommended it. I never got a response. Good luck to those who have been able to get a response!

I opted for the Cooper bridge, and to me they sound nearly the same when comparing it to my friends Four Uncles bridge but other more important factors could be an issue like actually practicing the guitar or the amp. We agreed that the Cooper bridge was better made, especially the plating as I ordered NOS, and that it had better sustain. They both have certain inaccuracies look wise to the old ones I have, but I know Cooper is always making his stuff better. The difference was not night and day in sound from the Historic bridges we had. What was night and day was the Customer Service I received from Cooper. After our comparisons, my friend replaced his Four Uncles bridge with the Cooper. As a long time viewer here, I see many people pumping this Four Uncles bridge who have not done direct comparisons with better, and I thought I'd offer my two cents and support for the home grown company I had a positive experience with.
Well to each their own. I can’t say if it was the brass thumbwheels that made more of a difference than the bridge? But I changed just the thumbwheels. Not the studs as Gibson uses brass studs. And changed the stock ABR-1 to FU and it definitely was night and day. Both acoustically and through an amp. I didn’t file saddles. And I’m still using original strings I had. I loosened enough to pull the bridge out and replace it. Then adjust the height and it was much better. Like took the guitar off of choke. Sustain if theres a difference? I’d say it’s negligibly better. But tone, warmth, clarity and volume are more apparent. I ordered mine from overseas through Facebook and got it in 4days.

If you’re happy with yours? Great. I’m not gonna sit here and say their bridge (FU) is better than anyone else other than Gibson. And who knows how their new 2023 one is? I’ve not tried every bridge out there? But when it comes to being biased? I’m not. If I spend $10k on a product? I’ll tell you my honest opinion on it. I’d say FU bridges are better than anything Gibson has put out from 1993-early 2023….
 

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One important thing that not many people talk about are thumbwheels and posts. Many older Historic guitars have these components made of steel and not brass (soft brass is the best). Changing just these parts is already a big step forward regardless of which bridge you use. My 2 cents.
 

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One important thing that not many people talk about are thumbwheels and posts. Many older Historic guitars have these components made of steel and not brass (soft brass is the best). Changing just these parts is already a big step forward regardless of which bridge you use. My 2 cents.
I probably should’ve tried? Maybe I’ll try it but I honestly think it’s both the bridge and wheels.
 

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Well to each their own. I can’t say if it was the brass thumbwheels that made more of a difference than the bridge? But I changed just the thumbwheels. Not the studs as Gibson uses brass studs. And changed the stock ABR-1 to FU and it definitely was night and day. Both acoustically and through an amp. I didn’t file saddles. And I’m still using original strings I had. I loosened enough to pull the bridge out and replace it. Then adjust the height and it was much better. Like took the guitar off of choke. Sustain if theres a difference? I’d say it’s negligibly better. But tone, warmth, clarity and volume are more apparent. I ordered mine from overseas through Facebook and got it in 4days.

If you’re happy with yours? Great. I’m not gonna sit here and say their bridge (FU) is better than anyone else other than Gibson. And who knows how their new 2023 one is? I’ve not tried every bridge out there? But when it comes to being biased? I’m not. If I spend $10k on a product? I’ll tell you my honest opinion on it. I’d say FU bridges are better than anything Gibson has put out from 1993-early 2023….
No I am not only saying I am satisfied, and I feel because these are two competitors, like sports, it is fine to drop what we think is the best. I am saying this as my honest opinion and from the opinion of a few others with vintage guitars, the Cooper bridge is better in our comparison compared to the Four Uncles bridge. We compared it with a bridge you purport to have given you sound you claim is high and above everything you have tried. I think the best part, is that Cooper flatly told me that it may not make a difference in sound for me, yet it did slightly, whereas the posts I've seen by Dave Stephens on Facebook and others claims that the Four Uncles bridge will upgrade the sound of our guitars for vintage accuracy or whatever that means. I even did one of the tone tests Dave did himself by dropping the vintage pieces on the table and comparing them, the Four Uncles still sounded different to my old ones and so did the Cooper. All the bridges had a different sound. From a quality perspective though because the Cooper is CNC and Four Uncles bridge is sand cast (which the originals were die cast), we expected the Cooper to be more precise, and it is. I still feel, there are too many outside factors to effectively conclude that it is the bridge though, could it be the posts? Could it be the thumbwheels? What about my amplifier? The speakers and the capacitors?

I am just tired of the snake oil claims made by certain companies about their products especially in our quest for vintage tone. I agree we all like what we like. The most recent Historic we had to compare was a 2021, but when my M2M comes this year, I'm swapping it out for the Cooper. I think both would be great options, but we found the Cooper was better. This area is swelled with PAF like sound debates.
 
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