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Are Gibson LP lovers snobs?

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58Plaintop

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There's a much easier way to look at this issue. A snobby jerk-off is never going to get to a point in the conversation where I would give a shit about what brand of guitar he prefers. ;)
 

hans-jürgen

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Well, at least this Gibson lover isn't one:

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phil47uk

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Quick!....Get that man in the pic above down to the nearest Evangelical church to be saved.........

And there shalt be a wailing and a gnashing of teeth amongst the followers of the bearded one. And a host of angels playing a thousand tambourines shall descend upon the land.
Lordy....Lordy........Who will save us now?
Just send in your personal cheques for $40 now ( made out to me will be OK )
The dial a prayer line will remain open for the next 24 hours.......


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phil47uk

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GeeJay said:
Some believe in God. I on the other hand, believe I'll have another beer.. :lol

Hey GeeJay.We're supposed to be whipping up a frenzy here.. :wha

You could at least sound a little more concerned. After all we are splitting the beer money aren't we?


Phil.
 

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Hi Phil. I don't know about whipping up a frenzy, more like flogging dead horse :)

And as for the beer money, I'm happy to split it with you...:yay

Cheers!
 

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GeeJay said:
Hi Phil. I don't know about whipping up a frenzy, more like flogging dead horse :)

Aint that the truth brother GeJay? Aint that the truth?:tfiend

Phil. :wha
 

thunderkyss

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Hey let's all go over to the PRSforum, and tell them our Epis smoke anything short of a Dragon.
 

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Judging by how often the word has been used in this thread, Gibson should come out with a new model called the "Mojo"! ;)
 

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Yes, I'm a snob about my guitars

vaportrail said:
Come on, let the cat out of the bag! I have been looking for 25 years for a less expensive guitar that copies all things Les Paul. I have had no luck. Some say if a copy has the exact same design, and the exact same woods, and electronics as a Gibson, it would sound the same. I don't know of any copies that use exactly the same parts/design of a Gibson Les Paul. Tell me which brand is it? I am not too proud to own a copy.
I once told a salesman that the reason his Les Paul copy didn't interest me, was because of the woods used were inferior. He told me that he could play a real Gibson, and a copy through the same amp, and there is no way anyone could tell the difference. I told him that one person could tell them apart, and that would be the person playing them.

I guess I did it all wrong. I got a copy of a Gibson Les Paul. It appears to pretty much use the same parts/design of an Gibson Les Paul. But I paid more for it, not less. Damn!
 

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Re: Yes, I'm a snob about my guitars

Hammertone said:
I guess I did it all wrong. I got a copy of a Gibson Les Paul. It appears to pretty much use the same parts/design of an Gibson Les Paul. But I paid more for it, not less. Damn!

Four or five years ago I got chatting to Geof Whitehorn (as ya do :)) and he was not impressed with Gibson production guitars at that time. He went on to say that he could not risk his original burst for most of the things he did, but wanted a guitar of equal quality at reasonable cost. So he took it to Sid Poole who made a replica of that guitar for about GBP 2k (which at the time was more money than a standard and less than a historic). I have to say, that it looked and sounded fantastic and Geof said it was very close to his original. Other well know professional players (Bernie Marsden and Micky Moody for example) have done exactly the same thing.

Even though there is no doubt that these copies are of the highest quality and are outstanding guitars, they are not Gibson guitars. In the end it's not about how much was paid or whether a copy is the better guitar. If it's not Gibson, it's not Gibson.
 

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Re: Yes, I'm a snob about my guitars

GeeJay said:
Even though there is no doubt that these copies are of the highest quality and are outstanding guitars, they are not Gibson guitars. In the end it's not about how much was paid or whether a copy is the better guitar. If it's not Gibson, it's not Gibson.


That's what I'm saying. Or been saying. It doesn't matter how much it cost, or where it was made. It's not being snobby to say "that is not a Gibson".


It's ignorant to try to get folks from this forum to say "you're right, that knock off you own is much better than my Historic(which is a Gibson manufactured Replica)"

Epi, Diodati, Tokai, etc......it doesn't matter. So many guys much prefer to play Tele's, Esquires, Ric's, JEMs, you name it, but they don't come here trying to "save the masses".

If LesPaul lovers are snobs, then the knock-off lovers have Penis-Envy.
 

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Re: Yes, I'm a snob about my guitars

GeeJay said:
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Even though there is no doubt that these copies are of the highest quality and are outstanding guitars, they are not Gibson guitars. In the end it's not about how much was paid or whether a copy is the better guitar. If it's not Gibson, it's not Gibson.

Wellllll .... some 30 years ago I was in the market for a really good dreadnaught. So I played everything in town, Martins, Gibsons, the few then-available luthier's products. Martin, of course, was the model, the axe by which all others were measured. The one I liked best was a D-45, the one dripping with abalone, but I couldn't afford it. The one I liked second-best (with third being miles behind)? A Japanese copy of a pre-war D-28 herringbone, a hand-built thingie of spruce & Brazilian rosewood and ebony, with abalone inlays on the fretboard, an Alvarez-Yairi DY-77... at 1/3 the cost of the Martins.

I still have it, and it is still better than any Martin I've played (except the few real pre-war ones). Sure, it hasn't appreciated the way a Martin would have, but who cares? I didn't buy it to invest in. [1] It is the sound, not the logo on the headstock. If I heard a copy better than my R9 for 1/3 the cost? It'd be mine in a heartbeat.

[1] As B. Dylan once said:
"Cultivate their flowers to be
Nothing more than something
They invest in."
 

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Re: Yes, I'm a snob about my guitars

generankin said:
If I heard a copy better than my R9 for 1/3 the cost? It'd be mine in a heartbeat.

Cool, but would you then get rid of your R9? And if you did would you still have a Gibson (assuming you don't have some more out back that is :))?
 

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Re: Yes, I'm a snob about my guitars

generankin said:
[1] It is the sound, not the logo on the headstock. If I heard a copy better than my R9 for 1/3 the cost? It'd be mine in a heartbeat.

[1] As B. Dylan once said:
"Cultivate their flowers to be
Nothing more than something
They invest in."

And that's not the point. If it truly sounds better than your R9, and this imaginary guitar is manufactured consistently enough that many others experience this, Then that guitar maker would have accomplished something no other maker has been able to do in 60 years. It would be it's own thing, with it's own following, with it's own forum where enthusiasts get together and share their experiences with one another. They wouldn't have to come to the LPF to "make their point".
The guitar would be sold on it's own merit, with no reference to Gibson, or LesPaul. Copies of it would be made, and sold at 1/3 the cost.
But people would still buy Gibson guitars to play, as investments, to look at, or just to say I have a Gibson, none of which makes them snobs.

And while I like Alvarez guitars, the cost factor(bang for the buck) is always one of the main reasons I would consider owning one. They are not on par with the High quality Martins. Better than many of the lower lines yes. Pretty much the same as the competitors(clones) of Gibson.
 

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Alvarez Yairi's are as fine as any guitar made.
It's it's own thing, it has it's own following, and has it's own forum:yay
 
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The A/Ys from the '70s are as good or better than alot of guitars made during that same era. A friend has a D-41 copy that is a beautiful playing and sounding guitar. That one sounds better than my '78 D-35 and is a much easier guitar to play...but it's no match for my '97 HD-28VR - that guitar is a cannon and has the classic Martin tone. I'd wager that by 2017, it'll sound as good as alot of the vintage Martins I've had the pleasure to play over the years, not to mention retain most of it's value or maybe appreciate.
 

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The AYs produced today are no different. Still handmade quality.
I currently have two Yairis, a DY-68 12 string from the 70s and a DY-56
from 82.

The difference in the older Yairis and the newer Yairis?
One is older than the other. If it's got a good life it gets better with age, otherwise it just gets older.

I'm not saying a Yairi is better than anything else. I'm saying there's a luthier who has lived on his own merits and earned his place in guitar history.

I think the 70s and early 80s will become the vintage years from Japan. Only time will tell.

At any rate, you can bet if I was looking for a Yairi, I wouldn't come to this site and ask something like

Hey, Guys:eek:la

New member here....I really like Les Pauls but for whatever reason, I'm not gonna buy one. How do you think an Alvarez-Yairi DY-62C compares to a Martin 000-EC?
 

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moonpie said:
Hey, Guys:eek:la

New member here....I really like Les Pauls but for whatever reason, I'm not gonna buy one. How do you think an Alvarez-Yairi DY-62C compares to a Martin 000-EC?

:welcome
Can I suggest you take this to the Martin forum or indeeed the AY forum?

Bleedin' newbies, come in here causing trouble. Shoot the lot of 'em I say...... :rof
 
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