Are Gibson LP lovers snobs?

[thunderkyss]

Diodati.........he's got a diodati....Good looking guitars, I've never seen or played one though, but I am curious. Diodati Just like PRS, it may very well be a fine guitar. It may sound really nice. but it'll never be a LesPaul. LesPaul like, maybe.

Suhr, Anderson, Lakeland, Charvel, Even G&L, they ain't strats. They look like them, They've got great tone, great playability, great workmanship, but they aren't Strats. Strat-like. The only difference, is that these guys come right up front and tell you they are making a better strat(or P-Bass in the case of Lakeland), and for some reason, their cost is more than your regular production Strat/P-Bass.

But in the case of Diodati, the thing cost $900. In Japan, Labor cost is pretty close to what we have here in the US. They've got to be cutting corners somewhere. The two piece back is one area.

"Our goal is to spare no effort in providing the highest quality

instruments at the lowest possible prices." that's got to tell you something.

trust me American guitar manufacturers aren't the only ones interested in making money. If they thought they could get more money for their guitars, they'd ask for it.

 

[thunderkyss]

Frinky, there is nothing wrong with either of your guitars. You are welcomed here, and your opinion is welcome. Share your knowledge with us.

IYhO the Diodati is on par with a R7, invite us to experience what you've seen. It's bad form to not so subtley call us snobs.

I speak from experince. search my user name, I asked the same question more or less when I first came her, but you are being treated much nicer than I.(actually, I was contemplating buying a LesPaul, or a Charvel Super Strat). Anyway, I'll admit your diodati may be equal to a Standard, or Classic, but I doubt seriously it's in the same league with a Historic.

The big thing with the Historic, isn't that it's made with this material, or that material, but that it is a Gibson Made Replica of an '58, etc.. Gibson Les Paul. People would spend the same money for an accurate Replica. But to be a Replica, it's got to say Gibson......So the only way to get one, is through Gibson, or through illegal means. Now The guys on this forum I think have been doing an excellent job keeping Gibson in check. in the 5 years I've been hear, there has been amazing strides in the quality, and owner satisfaction of these historics. They are pretty close now to being what they should've been. Soon, they will be spot on, if they are not already, and they are doing it on a larger scale, than they did back in the '50s.

 

[thunderkyss]

*Due to the constantly rising costs of figured maple, we chose to use a solid carved maple top with a thick, premium grade AAAA Quilted maple veneer.
The workmanship is flawless and it's impossible to tell that it is, in fact, a veneer.

Also from their site.

 

[Zhangliqun]

Now The guys on this forum I think have been doing an excellent job keeping Gibson in check. in the 5 years I've been hear, there has been amazing strides in the quality, and owner satisfaction of these historics.

It's true, and that's because Gibson is keenly aware of this forum and our complaints. We're a real rock in their shoe sometimes, to the point that their people will even post in here occasionally.

 

[thunderkyss]

Again, I don't agree with this. If it has the exact Les Paul shape, and built in the same way, it *is* a Les Paul, by any definition. Mine even says "Les Paul" on it (as a licensed model), and it's got higher appointments than your average USA Standard. It's more of a Les Paul than most LPs Gibson put out.

Sorry, no he's just looking at an Epi.......No one else can use the LesPaul signature right??

 

[Bluesslinger]

I don't know about "snobbery" - people like what they like - but as far as brand recognition, you'd better believe it makes a world of difference, especially when it comes to re-sale. I learned firsthand just how much name recognition means when I was 15 and trying to scrap up enough cash to buy a used '66 P-Bass (for $200 back then). Just try getting top dollar for an off brand instrument, either through private sale or through a dealer. Ain't gonna happen. Sure, certain knockoffs will fetch a nice price, such as "lawsuit model" Ibanez, Electras or Tokais, but the majority take a major depreciation hit as soon as they're out the door.
I bought an N.O.S. '01 Murphy/Brazilian R9 in October of '04 for dealer cost.....I've recently learned that if I decided to sell it that I could easily make a cool profit of $4K, which is nearly twice what I paid for it. Call it snobbery, call it stupidity or whatever you'd like, but personally I call it a smart decision and had enough since to recognize a potential moneymaker when I saw it. :2cents

 

[GeeJay]

03Lburst.. I are an engineer and have no idea what you're talking about. What are foreshawdowing and presage?

 

[les strat]

Whether you want to believe it or not, Gibson IS one of the best brands of guitars for holding value. I am not talking about turning around and selling a new one a year later. I am talking sitting on it for a few years. If I still had my '98 Les Paul Standard, I could more than likely get back what I gave for it new. In 10 more years, I promise you I could, probably more.

 

[C-4]

Today in America, people who work hard to buy what THEY want, and desire and which may happen to cost more then what the majority of players can afford to have, suffer with remarks from the jealous, and/or less hard working who may not want to cough up the dough for a CS Gibson LP.

These people who would rather, or perhaps cannot afford the better guitars have been taught by others through the media, or other means, that the masses must all have equality, and the rich, or those who work harder, should pay to the government, more in taxes so that the not-so-fortunate ones can have their "fair" share.

These are the type of individuals that I see complaining, whining, bitching, and in general, are mad that others have what these whiners have chosen, through their own actions or lack there of, not to own.

I don't consider myself a snob, but a hard working person who wants to own what I want to own. I love Gibson guitars and play them because I want too, not to impress someone I don't even know. I do not look down my nose at those who play other guitars. I am too busy working hard to play as well as I can, and just minding my own bees wax.

If these whining babies have a problem with this, too fuckin' bad!

 

[Bluesslinger]

The question in this thread also has me recalling a post from Davey re: his good ol' "bandmate" Jerry, who thought that his Epiphone Lester was actually better than Davey's R8....though Jerry never played his Epi much after getting his "dick skinners" on the R8 and proceded to use it for a prolonged period of time. If the Epi is just as good as the R8, then why did it take a backseat? It's just a name and the guitars are built along the same lines, right? Not a chance, muchacho. That's like saying a thoroughbred and a Shetland pony are equals as race horses - yeah, both are equines, but which would you place your bet on?

 

[D'Mule]

I just got done playing my new 50's Classic Telecaster (with its shiney new ashtray firmly in place). Its a riot! Its great to have a new tone in the stable.

But when I got done with that one, I pulled out my bone stock R8 and jammed a little bit more...the tone, the growl, the look, the feel were just like having sex. :jim

Anyone bashing this instrument (or any Gibson Historic/CS guitar for that matter) either hasn't played one, or they seriously need a set-up of the one they have.

I've concluded from this discussion that Gibson LP lovers are not snobs. They are just a little jaded, and just a bit suspicious about the guy who just wants to talk about his non-Gibson LP. Too many posers out their making like they get the same thing without the real investment.

 

[phil47uk]

Ladies.Ladies........
Of course we are snobs......Everyone is a snob in some form or another.
Just give someone the chance of sticking a pic of their latest guitar on the this forum and they'll post it faster that a rabbit can copulate
After all we are all men in here, and what do men mostly talk about. Themselves of course. And our beloved western society is all about having the best this and the best that. We all do it, whether it be our house. New car...TV....Job.. etc....So! why not a guitar?

Of course we want to share our new possession with other like minded people, but we also seek admiration for our choice of instrument.......Admiration - A polite recognition of another's resemblance to ones self.

We all like to hear. "Great looking guitar Fuzzybollocks298. That is beautiful"
And "Great sound clip man, hey you sure can play"

We don't expect.... Jesus Christ! Who picked that out for you ,your guide dog?" Or. "Great recording man, but who's the arsehole on guitar"

You earned the money. So go out and buy what you like. For whatever reason you like....Be proud of it and even if you can't play it to save your life, rest soundly in the knowledge that in here.... everyone’s a winner.

Phil :salude

 

[davey]

We don't expect.... Jesus Christ! Who picked that out for you ,your guide dog?"

http://lespaulforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28321

:salude

 

[daitong]

Today in America, people who work hard to buy what THEY want, and desire and which may happen to cost more then what the majority of players can afford to have, suffer with remarks from the jealous, and/or less hard working who may not want to cough up the dough for a CS Gibson LP.

These people who would rather, or perhaps cannot afford the better guitars have been taught by others through the media, or other means, that the masses must all have equality, and the rich, or those who work harder, should pay to the government, more in taxes so that the not-so-fortunate ones can have their "fair" share.

These are the type of individuals that I see complaining, whining, bitching, and in general, are mad that others have what these whiners have chosen, through their own actions or lack there of, not to own.

I don't consider myself a snob, but a hard working person who wants to own what I want to own. I love Gibson guitars and play them because I want too, not to impress someone I don't even know. I do not look down my nose at those who play other guitars. I am too busy working hard to play as well as I can, and just minding my own bees wax.

If these whining babies have a problem with this, too fuckin' bad!

Let me guess, they must hate America too. Just another conspiracy of the "librul" media?

Man, this thread has gotten out of hand. Do people on this forum go a little nuts over the Historics? Sure they do. Would I prefer a Gibson over, say, an Epiphone? Sure. One reason I buy American made guitars is that I don't want to support sweat shops overseas building these guitars. But really, there is a certain attention to detail that you can't get from imitations. It sure doesn't make it a sin to play a different brand than Gibson though.

But, like we all know, Gibsons F***ing rock. I own a 2002 Gibson Les Paul Standard and am happy with it. I can mod the crap out of it and get it to where I want it. If I had money to waste, I might be inclined to get a Historic model.

That being said, I think some here get a little crazy over these high priced guitars, to the exclusion of other great guitars. But I guess it's somewhat understandable, considering the amount of money they spend on their babies. Nobody behooves you the right to buy what you like. That IS what's great about living in a free society. Shoving it in someones face is not cool, though.

I guess my advice would be to find what guitar suits you and play the S**t out of it.

Oh, and beware of cheaper guitar owners. Apparently they want to take your tax money and be equal to you. The nerve! :bonk

 

[GeeJay]

Just because a Gibson (or any other brand) is a guitar made in the USA doesn't by definition make it superior to another guitar made anywhere else. Excellent build quality is neither exclusive to Gibson or the USA. That's missing the point.

What is clear however, is that if you want a Gibson, buy a Gibson. A copy will always be a copy no matter how close it is to the real thing. Being a copy doesn't make it inferior either, could even be a better guitar, but it'll still be a copy.

In most walks of life, something that is an original always garners more respect and is generally more desirable than a copy.

Most of us would like an original burst but settle for the nearest thing to it that we can afford. In my case an '02 standard. For the same money or less I could have bought an Epi Elite or some other copy, but I wanted a Gibson so that's what I got. That doesn't mean I look down on people who can only afford or are just plain happy with their copy.

So am I a snob? I don't think so.

I do think that this is a great thread BTW. Lots of very open debate IMO.

 

[dgood]

http://lespaulforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28321

This thread is hilarious!

 

[thunderkyss]

If the copy is truly as good as the original, then it will one day eclipse the original, in price, and noteriety. let's imagine Epi, or whoever has only been making these guitars, equal in quality to the real deal. 20 years from now, people will be raving about the quality/tone of these guitars. They will be worth twice what they are going for now. Only time will tell.








My money, is on Gibson.

 

[phil47uk]

ironicaly there are evidently now more R9's on the market than were originals.....
Lucky I got me an R0 as a future investment by the sounds of things... :spin

Me a snob?............Whatever gave you that impression? :wha

Hell I'm English. We invented the bloody word....Our little island is riddled with it....Take our Royal family for a start.

Phil.

 

[guitargary]

IMHO I feel that those that play Gibsons [period] are looked upon with a criticle eye. Its usually by those who are comparing knock-offs with the real thing. thats not to say that there is not a lot of other really nice guitars out there. Hey Scofield and MANY others play 335 replica's and on and on and on. But I think that that attitude in general shows a great deal of immaturity and jealousy. I feel if you have a great guitar that is not a Gibson, then power to you. On the other hand if you went out and bought a Gibson for 2200. and your 500. Artstar sounds better? Oh well I guess you'll do your homework and really check things out next time. But ya there is a lot of infantilism and jealousy out there though

 

[thunderkyss]

On the other hand if you went out and bought a Gibson for 2200. and your 500. Artstar sounds better? Oh well I guess you'll do your homework and really check things out next time.

The only way I think this could happen, is if you weren't ever really going for that LesPaul sound. The Gibson LesPaul has it's sound, but it isn't necessarilly the best sound for everyone. I'm quite sure JoeSatriani ( who I think has amazing tone) isn't looking for classic LesPaul sound.