Joe Bonamassa Skinnerburst

[tdarian]

I love the pics in the other thread of Joe with the prototype over in the "Austin" thread in the Vintage section. Great looking guitar viewed through the clear lenses of CDaughtry.

 

[wernerg]

...very Groundhog Day around here with all of the unburst/lemonburst/dirty lemonburst etc. variations. They all look very similar. ...

... but the appearance is not the point behind Artist models or CC models. The appeal of these guitars lies (and I am paraphrasing Edwin Wilson here) in the association with the artists and collectors after whom they are modeled. Therefore the experience and inspiration of owning such an instrument can be very different even though these guitars may share common design features or similar colors.

Having said that, I believe "faded lemons" are not all the same. I think it would be interesting to view two of them side-by-side, under the same lighting conditions. I have had the pleasure of holding both Sandy as well as the Skinner 'Bursts. Granted it's been a few years, but I remember them being quite different.

 

[lpjunkie]

... but the appearance is not the point behind Artist models or CC models. The appeal of these guitars lies (and I am paraphrasing Edwin Wilson here) in the association with the artists and collectors after whom they are modeled. Therefore the experience and inspiration of owning such an instrument can be very different even though these guitars may share common design features or similar colors.

This statement at face value just makes no sense to me. They attempt to recreate every little ding and Texas shape wear mark, color fade, type of top, color match, etc...because appearance isn't the appeal? They took years making the Duane Allman run because they had such a hard time sourcing the "proper" maple tops for it that resembled Duane's. If the appeal was simply to have an association with the artist, they could have thrown a bunch of tops on bodies, painted it like Hotlanta and called it a day. Many people aren't paying top dollar for these guitars SOLELY because they are owned or were played by special guitarists. I understand the appeal in the iconic instruments that are being replicated...but IMO, it's more than just the back story people are drawn to.

 

[buyusfear]

This guitar has been one of my favourites ever since I saw this pic on Gibson's website 8 some odd years ago after it sold, and earned its name.
Apparently the couple who sold it built a new home from the proceeds and put a mantel over the fireplace that said, "The house that Les Paul built"

 

[MikeSlub]

This statement at face value just makes no sense to me. They attempt to recreate every little ding and Texas shape wear mark, color fade, type of top, color match, etc...because appearance isn't the appeal? They took years making the Duane Allman run because they had such a hard time sourcing the "proper" maple tops for it that resembled Duane's. If the appeal was simply to have an association with the artist, they could have thrown a bunch of tops on bodies, painted it like Hotlanta and called it a day. Many people aren't paying top dollar for these guitars SOLELY because they are owned or were played by special guitarists. I understand the appeal in the iconic instruments that are being replicated...but IMO, it's more than just the back story people are drawn to.

Agreed.

 

[Xpensive Wino]

This guitar has been one of my favourites ever since I saw this pic on Gibson's website 8 some odd years ago after it sold, and earned its name.
Apparently the couple who sold it built a new home from the proceeds and put a mantel over the fireplace that said, "The house that Les Paul built"

Beautiful.

 

[1jamman]

Spec's? The CC's are suppose to be digitally scanned clones of the original's neck & top. I'd say they're pretty right on the money. However the only CC I've played is #6 (Mike Slub's). To me it felt like an old Burst. I've played somewhere in the range of 60-75 original bursts and also a number of GT's and Customs. The first Les Paul I ever played was a 1959 3-pickup Custom. That was in 1968 so the guitar was only 9 years old..

Yes, Specs . Scannig something and building it are 2 completely different things. I'm not aware of every spec for every burst ever made and i'm not interested in looking that up . Would it be to much for Gibson to list what the Original Specs are ? They already have that Info on computer. I use the Spec numbers to know if a guitar is good for me to play . As others also do . As it's the only way to determine if buying 1 will be worth the effort . I've never seen a CC in a store , for sale , in South Fla . So only buying on the internet or over the phone or ordering sight unseen is the only possible way . Less taking a road trip to where a store has 1 in stock .

Example : Many have posted how the Histroric necks don't feel the same a Vintage neck and Gibson still advertises how they are so close to the Originals .

Never having the chance to play an Original Burst , i can not know . Unless you can play the Original , how does one really know ? Specs might help .

I can say that I've seen on WW's site some of the CC guitars that have , Imo big differences in neck size . That leads me to believe that What's being produced and sold is not quite what is told to us . I believe that .20" -.30 " differnece in neck size at the 1st fret is huge for a guitar being claimed as as close as possible . For me that makes a difference for playability .

To buy at those prices and for my preferences in neck size , I don't go on "good faith" when i'm not even sure what the Original is . Unless it's a R0 neck , thsn I have some idea it will be in the range of what I'm looking for ,

I've only had the chance to play a few Original GT's, Arch tops and Es models , But those ain't Bursts . Yup, the necks were different and imo , better playing than what is produced today . I don't recall seeing anyone post how a CC's neck was a replica of an Original neck .
At these prices i get picky :laugh2: .

 

[Beano Geno]

Scanning something and building it are 2 completely different things.

I agree. Shouldn't be a big deal to give a 1st and 12 fret spec of the scan....with a stated manufacturing tolerance....unless you can't consistently make it to that spec.

 

[DoubleBoogie]

I want to know who Brian Dead is.

Touche! LOL!! eace2

 

[cryptozoo]

$292k? Damn, son. I'd rather have that money.

 

[yeti]

Spec's? The CC's are suppose to be digitally scanned clones of the original's neck & top.

Really, I thought they just used a 3D printer:couch

 

[poon99]

These are stunning checked some out today at the HOG.

 

[Fried okra]

These are stunning checked some out today at the HOG.

PURTY!!!! Hurry up and sign mine Joe. :teeth

 

[MWR]

Looks like a cool guitar!

 

[wernerg]

This statement at face value just makes no sense to me. They attempt to recreate every little ding and Texas shape wear mark, color fade, type of top, color match, etc...because appearance isn't the appeal? They took years making the Duane Allman run because they had such a hard time sourcing the "proper" maple tops for it that resembled Duane's. If the appeal was simply to have an association with the artist, they could have thrown a bunch of tops on bodies, painted it like Hotlanta and called it a day. Many people aren't paying top dollar for these guitars SOLELY because they are owned or were played by special guitarists. I understand the appeal in the iconic instruments that are being replicated...but IMO, it's more than just the back story people are drawn to.

Hi LPJunkie,

point well taken and not to belabor the point, but I was referring to Edwin's comments starting around 11:08 of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOmVGR9O0I)

He's saying, and I agree with him, that with the Artist models, it's not so much the intrinsic value of the replicated guitar, but the reverence to the musical performer. The buyer of an Artist model is willing to pay a premium over the intrinsic value of the product, because s/he pays homage to the celebrity player.

With the CC (and IMO, the line has blurred with Green/Moore, Tom Scholz, JB, Bernie Marsden being collectors AND artists), Edwin is saying it's the history associated with the original guitar that the buyer values, more than the intrinsic value of the guitar.

Hence my point that, personally, I would accept "another faded lemon finish" on the next CC because I am not primarily buying features and appearance, but "legacy".

P.S. by the same token, one could argue that Skinner is "yet another dual PAF guitar", and that (with the exception of the Tom Scholz) all CC's have had that pickup configuration.

 

[Ed A]

All this talk about it being just another lemon burst historic, am I the only one who sees that this is NOT a bookmatched top? It looks flitch matched and I'm all for that. I'm not really up on historics these days but aren't they all still book matched? The fact that this one is not doubles the cool factor in my book. Of all of Joe's bursts the Skinner is my favorite and I feel privileged to have held it. If I wasn't having a replica built which is taking a good chunk of change this would be the CC I would go for!

 

[Ken Fortunato]

All this talk about it being just another lemon burst historic, am I the only one who sees that this is NOT a bookmatched top? It looks flitch matched and I'm all for that. I'm not really up on historics these days but aren't they all still book matched? The fact that this one is not doubles the cool factor in my book.

Yup! I think it's pretty cool myself.

 

[Lenny]

Damn, I've had a skinnerburst since 2008 and didn't even know it!

 

[Beano Geno]

Damn, I've had a skinnerburst since 2008 and didn't even know it!

Yep. Only thing missing is all that legacy and homage stuff. eace2

 

[Ed A]

The guitar in the picture two posts above is bookmatched. A sweet looking guitar but it's book matched. The skinner burst is not so once again I'm saying that is something that does make it different than typical historics. My own opinion is if I'm going to buy a cc it's got to be aged because the whole point of the guitar is to pay tribute to a specific existing instrument. Might as well copy the wear etc...