The Bottom Line as far as I'm concerned...

[Ramrodrowdyyates]

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news...1060001985334&dt=20041015110600&w=APO&coview=
When asked who they would trust as commander in chief, people in military service and their families chose President Bush over Sen. John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, by almost a 3-to-1 margin.

 

[tater]

"The military sample was far more likely to be Republican than Democratic, which could help explain the more favorable view of the president. Four in 10, 43 percent, of the military sample said they were Republicans, while 19 percent said Democrats and 27 percent independents. "


:doh


...amazing powers of observation...................

 

[Tim C.]

I think what "the Ram" is getting at is the Demos keep using the war in Iraq as being wrong and that the boys want to come home as a campaign issue. It appears the majority of our servicemen are satisfied to do the job they were sent to do and support George Bush and the liberation of the Iraqi people. No duh ther as far as I see.

If the majority of servicemen are Republican, so be it. As I recall that was the main reason the Demos got all those servicemens votes thrown out or disqualified last time.

I think you would also be surprised to know that most law enforcement are also Republican. This president has been very supportive of law enforcement and has provided many new tools to combat both the terror issue and the illegal flow of dangerous narcotics. Our department alone seized 44 million dollars of illegal drugs this year so far. I don't believe that would continue under Senator Kerry as he is not truly a supporter of law enforcement. He is a live and let live, do what feels good kind of guy.

Tim C.

 

[Ramrodrowdyyates]

So in this sample 2:1 said they were Republicansemocrats. But 3:1 said that Bush was more trustworthy as commander-in-chief. That is what most folks call significant. Especially since everyone says that the independant voters are the key to this election.

And YES, my point was that MILITARY families are the ones who Kerry/Edwards logic says should be unhappy with Bush. That apparently isn't so.

I'm sure that the Democrats will be trying to throw out as many military ballots as possible like they did in Florida in 2000.

 

[Wisertime]

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news...1060001985334&dt=20041015110600&w=APO&coview=
When asked who they would trust as commander in chief, people in military service and their families chose President Bush over Sen. John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, by almost a 3-to-1 margin.

Many in the military still think it's the day after 9/11. They're trained to be gung-ho and forceful. Even if desiring Bush is in the majority with them, it doesn't mean it's the right choice, or the most intelligent.

 

[PatentAppliedFor]

The poll was taken from mostly career military folks. I'd like to see a poll of enlisted personnel too.

 

[tater]

It appears the majority of our servicemen are satisfied to do the job they were sent to do and support George Bush and the liberation of the Iraqi people. No duh ther as far as I see.


This president has been very supportive of law enforcement and has provided many new tools to combat both the terror issue and the illegal flow of dangerous narcotics.

I don't believe that would continue under Senator Kerry as he is not truly a supporter of law enforcement.

He is a live and let live, do what feels good kind of guy.

Tim C.

Tim - the point you draw from the article is impossible to support - the sample (not the entire military) made up of less than 20% Democrats, with the remainder identifing themselves as either Republican or Undecided (who are likely to lean toward the Commander-in-Chief given their situation) - it's a skewed sample and yet 33% of the respondents still thought Kerry would do a better job than the leader they are currently serving. I think that's alarming.

As for support of the police and law enforecement - Assault Weapons Ban? Bush and the Republicans just made it easy for terrorists to walk into Walmart and up an AK-47 with a high capacity magazine. You think that's supporting law enforcement??

Why on earth do you think Kerry wouldn't be the kind of supporter to police that Clinton was?

The Republicnas and Bush beat their chests and wave the flag but if you look at what really makes our streets safer they moving in the opposite direction.

 

[tater]

I'm sure that the Democrats will be trying to throw out as many military ballots as possible like they did in Florida in 2000.

Not a chance - Rummy's tried a failed pre-emtive strike of his own - (good thing he fucked that up too):

In a decision that could affect Americans abroad who are not yet registered to vote in the Nov. 2 presidential election, the Pentagon has begun restricting international access to the official Web site intended to help overseas absentee voters cast ballots..
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http://www.iht.com/articles/539597.html

Later Headline: DOD Relents on Overseas Voting..

http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2004/0920/web-dodvote-09-23-04.asp

 

[Wisertime]

I'm sure that the Democrats will be trying to throw out as many military ballots as possible like they did in Florida in 2000.

C'mon, everybody knows Gore won Florida fair and square, until the other spoiled little Bush brat decided to help enforce our nation's first dictatorship. :ahem

 

[Tangymusic]

I think what "the Ram" is getting at is the Demos keep using the war in Iraq as being wrong and that the boys want to come home as a campaign issue. It appears the majority of our servicemen are satisfied to do the job they were sent to do and support George Bush and the liberation of the Iraqi people. No duh ther as far as I see.

Military mental conditioning demands unquestioning support respect for ones superiors. Add the fact that the Republicans have always been considered the more hawkinsh of the two parties and you've got the reason they support the CinC.

Ask the parents of the kids that were killed or wounded, and I know a couple personally, and they'll tell you a different story.
As more kids are coming home maimed or worse, and the obvious fact that the administration's Iraq policy is adrift,people are started to ask questions.

Look, there are alot of people who have loved ones over there and they need to believe that GWB is the man he says he is and that he wouldn't let their loved ones die in vain.

Time will tell.

 

[DaveTV]

As for support of the police and law enforecement - Assault Weapons Ban? Bush and the Republicans just made it easy for terrorists to walk into Walmart and up an AK-47 with a high capacity magazine. You think that's supporting law enforcement??

Do you honestly think someone that would be willing to walk into Walmart with an AK-47 gives two shits about the gun ban?

Do you think this type of person buys guns from a gun shop?

What makes an AK-47 more dangerous than any other gun? Because it "looks" like a bad weapon?

Man, you guys have got it, bad. Are you all on suicide watch for 11/3?

 

[tater]

Do you honestly think someone that would be willing to walk into Walmart with an AK-47 gives two shits about the gun ban?

What makes an AK-47 more dangerous than any other gun? Because it "looks" like a bad weapon?

The point was that it is now possible for any adult to walk into a store that sells guns (like Walmart) and pick up an AK-47, a high capacity magazine and as much ammo as they can carry, with nary a question asked.

An AK-47 is cheap, (again so in the USA) highy reliable, easy to field strip, and most of all packs the deadly heft of a 7.62x39 round - now in high capacity magazines. This is a hell of a lot more firepower than our police carry - it's meant for one thing - deadly combat. It didn't become the best selling combat weapon of all time becasue "it's just like all the rest". First thing many special ops soldiers look for is a clean, warm, AK-47 to replace thier inferior Colt's.

 

[Ramrodrowdyyates]

Tim - the point you draw from the article is impossible to support - the sample (not the entire military) made up of less than 20% Democrats, with the remainder identifing themselves as either Republican or Undecided (who are likely to lean toward the Commander-in-Chief given their situation) - it's a skewed sample and yet 33% of the respondents still thought Kerry would do a better job than the leader they are currently serving. I think that's alarming.

As for support of the police and law enforecement - Assault Weapons Ban? Bush and the Republicans just made it easy for terrorists to walk into Walmart and up an AK-47 with a high capacity magazine. You think that's supporting law enforcement??

Why on earth do you think Kerry wouldn't be the kind of supporter to police that Clinton was?

The Republicnas and Bush beat their chests and wave the flag but if you look at what really makes our streets safer they moving in the opposite direction.

Walmart does not, and has never sold an AK-47. In fact an AK-47 is still an illegal weapon to buy/sell or own unless one has both a special, highly restriced License and one specially registers the gun. An AK-47 is a fully automatic weapon. There ARE look-alikes (like the MAC-90) that are semi-automatic, and are only different from MANY sporting weapons that were never banned in cosmetic features. MOST of the pro-weapons ban people, I've noticed, are quite ignorant about the subject.
And NONE have ever seemed to be able to define "assault weapon".
There is no appreciable difference between an AR-15, Mac-90, or any of the other previously banned "assault weapons" and my several Remington 7400 and 742 semi-automatic rifles, other than cosmetics. I have a good number of 15, 20 and even 30 round magazines for those, making them easily as deadly, and those Remingtons were never covered under the ban.
The ban was a huge waste of taxpayers money, law enforcement manpower and was unconstitutional at it's core.
I wouldn't like it if the Constitution were amended to change the Second Amendment but I would accept it if it were done legally; but I have REAL SERIOUS problems with the backhanded, illegal way that gun control laws have been used to circumvent the Constitution. At least this once we've let time and sanity correct a mistake.

 

[AtomEve]

Walmart does not, and has never sold an AK-47. In fact an AK-47 is still an illegal weapon to buy/sell or own unless one has both a special, highly restriced License and one specially registers the gun. An AK-47 is a fully automatic weapon. There ARE look-alikes (like the MAC-90) that are semi-automatic, and are only different from MANY sporting weapons that were never banned in cosmetic features. MOST of the pro-weapons ban people, I've noticed, are quite ignorant about the subject.
And NONE have ever seemed to be able to define "assault weapon".
There is no appreciable difference between an AR-15, Mac-90, or any of the other previously banned "assault weapons" and my several Remington 7400 and 742 semi-automatic rifles, other than cosmetics. I have a good number of 15, 20 and even 30 round magazines for those, making them easily as deadly, and those Remingtons were never covered under the ban.
The ban was a huge waste of taxpayers money, law enforcement manpower and was unconstitutional at it's core.
I wouldn't like it if the Constitution were amended to change the Second Amendment but I would accept it if it were done legally; but I have REAL SERIOUS problems with the backhanded, illegal way that gun control laws have been used to circumvent the Constitution. At least this once we've let time and sanity correct a mistake.

Ditto.

It's no use discussing gun laws with those that have no idea what they are talking about. No insult to members intended. These laws are all about window dressing and the "assualt wepons" ban was not a ban of any "assualt weapon". It was feel good window dressing to get politicians elected or to stay in power. An AK-47 is a class III weapon and CANNOT be imported into this country. That precedes the so called weapons ban. Look up class III folks.

 

[Bluburst135]

..can we purchase Howitzers thru this legislation? is there gonna be a tax on the ammo for it? AK47s?... pop guns.... where's my M1-A1 Abrams...... all this gun talk should be posted on the Outdoor Life Forum..... fuck the politics, lets' talk MUSIC..GUITARS..BABES.... :fatty