• Guys, we've spent considerable money converting the Les Paul Forum to this new XenForo platform, and we have ongoing monthly operating expenses. THE "DONATIONS" TAB IS NOW WORKING, AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE ANY DONATIONS YOU CAN MAKE TO KEEP THE LES PAUL FORUM GOING! Thank you!

Show off your BEAT Fender AVRI or Custom Shop Guitars

Joined
Mar 6, 2018
Messages
44
I thought it'd be cool to do a dedicated thread to posting photos of non factory relic guitars that have naturally relic'd over time and use from the modern era. It's cool to compare and contrast the way these modern guitars age as compared to their vintage counterparts. After a little searching on the web, there's not a lot of places where people are posting photos of these guitars in heavily used condition. I. do not want this to be a relic vs. non relic post. We all know there are opinions out there, but this is just a place for showing how a new, non relic modern (1980's onward) guitar has aged over the long haul. I don't have one to get us started, but I am curious, so..... If you got 'em, post 'em!
 

jb_abides

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 6, 2005
Messages
5,218
No pics but my AVRIs (52 Blackguard, 57 Strat, 62 Strat) are not relic'd looking at all, or even closet classic like. Maybe case queens... but they are used and cleaned, and I don't abuse them i.e. I don't gig out with belt buckles and beer. How much honest wear when they get wiped clean and kept in cases in between... sorry I am boring.

Really, they are holding up almost too well for their age; plus, every time I go online to look at them in the market, I see two camps: (1) those that are beaten look more ratted-out in a 'non-relic'd' way: more broken down than worn with a patina of a bygone age, and (2) those that look pretty darn good...

So, I wonder why isn't more of a desirable fuss made over them, why do prices fall well below other eras for US Fender guitars with great specs and build qualities. They seem like they should rate akin to Gibson Pre-Historic, but they don't. There's very little buzz or coveting, seems to me. Any ideas as to WHY?
 
Last edited:
Joined
Mar 6, 2018
Messages
44
Yeah, that's kind of the point of this thread, really, to see how these guitars age vs vintage guitars. They both have nitro (debatable about how vintage the nitro really is as we could easily go down the plasticizers/ poly undercoat vs. fullerplast, etc....) there are vintage case queens too, but far less it would seem. Even case queens of the vintage ilk seem to age around the edges just from bumping around in the case. Seems most vintage, pre '68 Fenders tend to have similar checking despite undercoat. And CS Journeyman relics to me look extremely inauthentic to the real thing, hence why I'd like to see some real relics from the modern era.
 

jb_abides

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 6, 2005
Messages
5,218
They were spec'd as nitro, and smelled a bit of it, but my bet is there's ample plasticizer / poly undercoat as you suggest, that are keeping things more stable and therefore the relic'ing will neither appear as overdone as Journeyman or as nicely worn as some of the lightly aged CS variants, just kinda damaged. Which has its own thing, to some.
 

jb_abides

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 6, 2005
Messages
5,218
Here's one that's seen a bit of a beating, that comes off more like damage than relic'ing.

Note the under-layer finish, I think Lemmo's correct this was a factory do-over, which might be why the metallic candy apple red was easily flaked away at that location.

 

jb_abides

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 6, 2005
Messages
5,218
Here's another with neck wear, random chips, etc.

Good close-up footage at the end of video. More signs pointing to another finish beneath? or just colored primer?

 

jb_abides

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 6, 2005
Messages
5,218
Very clean 52 Blackguard, like mine but righty. Kept the dark circuit!


BTW this was lockdown day.
 
Last edited:

jb_abides

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 6, 2005
Messages
5,218
Good wear on a 52 AVRI Tele

kyqde4pq9exy6pesqnnq.jpg
 

jb_abides

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 6, 2005
Messages
5,218
Here's an older thread with essentially the same thrust, showing a 62 AVRI Strat in Candy Apple Red with seriously progressed wear revealing build-appropriate gold under-layer prior to the translucent red, with some real greening going on.

Easily the most worn AVRI I have ever seen and cited as totally honest wear. Yowza! Case too.


Sample pic, there are other good ones!
ln5zA6i.jpg


File Under: Playing Goals...

(or, alternatively, biochemistry avoidance)
 
Last edited:
Joined
Mar 6, 2018
Messages
44
All good finds! I have a friend who has an older, maybe 87ish, AVRI in CAR that has very similar wear to the last one posted. Tons of wear, with the shoreline gold undeercoat along with some blue in there too. Seems like they do wear in an "uglier" way though. Often I see the finish doing the orange peel thing in reaction to sweat. Definitely a much different type of wear than seen on the original vintage guitars. I'd be interested to see some custom shop NOS's that have been through the ringer to see if there's a difference in the nitro and how they wear with a ton of bar hours, etc... So far it would seem that these modern guitars do not wear in anywhere near the same way as a real golden era guitar.
 

Otter

New member
Joined
Feb 11, 2019
Messages
2
A lot of the earlier AVRIs (1982,1983) had very flaky finishes. Took Fender a couple years to find the right lacquer recipe and/or technique. The front of my '82 AVRI looks pretty good, the back is flaky as hell. Previous owner did a coat of overspray to keep it from getting worse. As you can see, it's not legit play wear, it's just a bad finish

g8euVod.jpg
 

calcheyup

New member
Joined
Apr 24, 2023
Messages
9
Really, they are holding up almost too well for their age;
I'm in this boat too.

I have an '04 Clapton that was my first nice guitar. I promptly gigged with it, dropped it countless times, had beer spilled on it, stored it on whatever was convenient (tables, couches, carpet, etc). From 5 feet away it looks like a brand new guitar. There are a few paint chips and about a zillion scratches in the clearcoat, the portion where my forearm sits is starting to dull a bit, but that's it. I understand it's not an "old" guitar, but it's a 20 year old guitar that has been played daily for that entire time.

I also have a relic sunburst Strat and had one guitar tech comment that he didn't like relics, saying that he thought the relic looked great but "you used to have to earn it." I told him you can't "earn it" anymore, the way modern guitars are finished.

He didn't have much of an answer for that one.
 

Amp360

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 16, 2012
Messages
824
I'm in this boat too.

I have an '04 Clapton that was my first nice guitar. I promptly gigged with it, dropped it countless times, had beer spilled on it, stored it on whatever was convenient (tables, couches, carpet, etc). From 5 feet away it looks like a brand new guitar. There are a few paint chips and about a zillion scratches in the clearcoat, the portion where my forearm sits is starting to dull a bit, but that's it. I understand it's not an "old" guitar, but it's a 20 year old guitar that has been played daily for that entire time.

I also have a relic sunburst Strat and had one guitar tech comment that he didn't like relics, saying that he thought the relic looked great but "you used to have to earn it." I told him you can't "earn it" anymore, the way modern guitars are finished.

He didn't have much of an answer for that one.
I have an 87 or 88 Clapton and if you look at it up close, it's pretty beat up but looks really nice from five feet away. Fender really figured out how to do the finish right in about 87.

293617111_10227469623155150_2623448540362982047_n.jpg
 

calcheyup

New member
Joined
Apr 24, 2023
Messages
9
I have an 87 or 88 Clapton and if you look at it up close, it's pretty beat up but looks really nice from five feet away. Fender really figured out how to do the finish right in about 87.

293617111_10227469623155150_2623448540362982047_n.jpg
Love the wood grain on that neck!
 

pa-tom

New member
Joined
May 29, 2004
Messages
27
Here's my '89 AVRI52, most of the wear on mine is on the neck. The body has some scars, but pretty tough. My '88 is mint.

89_AVRI52_neckwear.jpg

89_AVRI52_bodywear.jpg
 

garywright

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 17, 2002
Messages
15,530
I have a beautiful 2000 Aztec gold ‘57 ri strat …it’s been played but always taken care of with no real signs of wear.
 

Amp360

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 16, 2012
Messages
824
I wonder if this one would count. Story may also be TLDR, but I'm a little nostalgic.

In 2001ish I played on a record for someone. I was living in NYC and was living in a glorified closet with two other people, which was really expensive. 9/11 happened and I got offered $1000/wk to go on a promo tour which consisted of radio stations, malls (for example, we played at the old waterfall in the Prudential in Boston, which was neat for me), and opening for other groups.

I had some decent guitars at the time, an old Telecaster and a Les Paul Standard, which was my first good guitar. I used these at first then we went overseas so I needed things I wouldn't have to worry about. I think I was able to get either $1000 or maybe $1500 for equipment and I ended up buying a couple of SG models - a faded one that was used and a yellow one with a gloss finish that was cheap because it was yellow and had been sitting around. I also had to buy a delay pedal and one of those purple Line 6 filters to copy the record.

Anyways, long story short the record blew up and as a reward, I got money for better guitars. I got this sparkle (which was rare at the time) Fender Telecaster with Strat switching. It wasn't a relic but I wore a big spot on the bridge where I keep my pinkie and the finish somehow broke into a bunch of big pieces.

I call it my Fender PRS because it plays beautifully, has amazing fretwork and low action but sounds kind of flat. It's really fun to play, but doesn't really sound all that inspiring. On big stages it looked great and with this particular show running this guitar into an SLO and a Twin I doubt anyone knew the difference.

1011958_10201465003255905_1427685448_n.jpg


Here's the SG which also became a relic :)

222075_1044392078961_3869_n.jpg


221945_1044392158963_4254_n.jpg


I can't find any pics of the faded SG right now that aren't of me playing it live but the neck got broken off and in between a tour I sprayed it white and turned it into a Jr., which I ended up giving to a friend.

I guess I didn't end up putting the bar on it, but it looked pretty cool. I did put the older tuners on it.

1935611_1166012759402_2173296_n.jpg


1935611_1166012679400_6028553_n.jpg



Then I got sent a brand new white SG in the mail one day, which were kind of hard to find and it was missing the neck. Then I got a red one and that one had the same issue!

A friend of mine, Ed Roman, had this photo on his site for years!

1935613_1168622464643_6188932_n.jpg


So then I just got a Les Paul instead. Black was the cheapest one at the time.

4185_1143819724590_8356352_n.jpg
 

DutchRay

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 15, 2015
Messages
871
Here's my 1991 '57 reissue strat. I got it new, the shop I worked from had ordered a sunburst and this came in. I think it's called Ocean Turquoise. It used to be blue, now it's green-ish. All the wear and tear happened while playing it on stage, I even knocked out a dude with it at some point :oops:

Mods: Round string tree, 1954 neckplate, brass saddles, Bill Lawrence Humbucker. Trem arm is broken and stuck in the trem block, nut is broken and glued back together same for the pickguard.

20230809_164934.jpg



20230809_164942.jpg


20230809_164949.jpg


20230809_164954.jpg


20230809_165017.jpg
 
Last edited:
Top