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Inside a Bumble Bee: A cap inside a cap...

pepejara

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After the Radiographs affair, and being minimally injured in the hand by a needle, (I could not play the guitar yesterday:bh) I decided to resolve my curiosity about the bumble bee reissue. I read all the articles you posted at this respect, even Gibson's manager article about the reissue... none of them cited the brand or model of the cap...

This is the inside of one Bumble bee reissue:

WescoCap.JPG

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Wesco2.JPG


WescoAbierto.JPG


As you can see is a "Wesco" polipropilene cap, rated 400 volt, marked "223J", described in this page:

http://www.wescocap.com/32pl/32pl.htm


and this:




http://www.wescocap.com/32pl/pg19.htm

Just for fun:salude
 
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porras

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pepejara, we truly appreciate your investigations about those caps, thanks for the time, knowledge and skills you freely share with us. ;)

Buy the way i´m wondering to upgrade my cheap epiphone Les Paul copy with two of those wesco cap, do you think it will sound like a GLP Reissue after the mod ? :spin

Regards Pacop
 
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Gold Tone

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Too funny!! At least they could have attempted a closer cap match by using polystyrene! Too funny!
 

kt66

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Interesting !!! Didn't the gibson custom shop mgr claim that they did tons of research and had a vendor custom build a cap for them until it was the sonic equivalent of BBs? Well, it looks pretty clear that this is just an off-the-shelf polyprop cap, which isn't even close to being the original dielectric. More BS from Gibson...imagine that!
 

blauserk

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kt66 said:
Well, it looks pretty clear that this is just an off-the-shelf polyprop cap, which isn't even close to being the original dielectric.

Just going on memory, that doesn't sound like what Gibson said the capacitor type was. What was the dielectric in the original bumblebees? I thought they were paper or maybe mylar/polyester.
 

hoss

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Isn't the US of A the dream country for customer lawsuits...?
 

bvmjethead

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So basically it's some tin foil wrapped around a wire and then put in a bigger box with some pretty stripes painted on it.......

Does that pretty much cover it?

Henry.................. :toobad
 

hunkowood

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Yeah,I went though a bunch of crap with Gibson over the Bumblebees.No aftermarket sales,etc.They act like they are the Holy Grail or something.Just a marketing gimmick.Maybe they should start selling them to pay for the lawsuit we all should file against them.WTF!
 

jrock1

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Aren't the Hovland caps from the RS Kit polypropylene and film also? Wouldn't that make them the same as the RI "Bumblebees" as described in the first item on this thread? Someone, please tell me there is a difference?
 

Kluson

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just so everyone knows , I work for the World's largest producer of Capacitors, We make around 25 Billion pieces per month.
The problem here is not what kind of cap is used, but the fact that Gibson came out with such clear BS from day 1. As you can see from the quantity that we and our competitors produce, Gibson is not a large customer to any manufacturer of caps. We were never going to see them tell the truth. R+D my Arse, they spent 10 mins going through the Farnell catalog, or Rs or Premiere or whatever you guys call them, and found the closest fit. I would bet they carried out no test at all, just what they could get away with.
If we as a manufacturer did something like that we would be prosecuted here in the UK undert the Sales of goods act. In the USA I guess we would be sued.
It is outrageous that Gibson should come up with such a line of crap just to try to justify a few extra dollars. Knowing caps, I don't care what they put in the historics, I'll take em out and replace the electrics which are rubbish in any case, just don't try to trick me and treat me like an idiot.
I love my historics , but I have had trouble with at least two of them having poor fret work and one had to have the nut replaced it had been cut so badly, In the Custom shop, !!!!!! maybe the nut was cut by the Capacitor expert when he had finnished his R+D, sorry for long post and rant. but I feel we must look at the real problem and that is Gibson. They have turned exactly to type as they were before ,this is like the 70's all over again, change the name to" Bean counter Inc" and have done with it. Logo would look great on the peg head. maybe drop the Inc.
 

Mike R.

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Amazing. Simply amazing. Kind of sad as well.

I remember reading that article where they said they researched until the found the blah blah blah...What crap.
 

Great King Rat

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holygrail said:
pepejara - Thanks ! :salude

Gibson's Smoke and Mirrors Link :ha!
http://www.gibsoncustom.com/bumblebee/index.htm

I've got a good supply of vintage BB's
but where'd you get those NOS BB's that you have ? :hmm

I just read the page. They out right lying if this is the case. I can not belive a big company like gibson would do such a thing. I think we should forward this tread and see what they say.
 

jrock1

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led zep fan said:
All the more reason to get an RS kit.

Does anyone know the difference between the Hovlands in the RS Kit and the RI Bumblebees - since the first post on this thread states that the BBs are polyproyplene and film and I think thats what the Hovlands in the RS Kit are?
 
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