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Hidden treasure! Tale of the ‘72/‘58/‘53’ Les Paul Goldtop, Burst conversion..

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lhric

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Jumping@Shadows said:
Hi all, here’s the tale of my latest Burst conversion, which I was very pleased to have landed at an excellent price, sat in plain site yet hidden due to some remarkable twists and turns in its past!

I spend a great deal of my time hunting suitably compromised ‘50s project guitars to restore and ‘Resto mod’, with a particular passion for Burst conversions, but it’s nigh on impossible to find ANYTHING of late, and I was long convinced my luck had run out.

A few weeks ago I was sweeping Reverb as usual when I came across a listing for a refin 1972 ‘58 RI’, wraptail Goldtop, with typical ‘70s features of ‘Gibson’ embossed P90s, squared off ‘70s pantograph logo etc, plus evidence of a previous humbucker conversion and other issues under the very thick gold, and didn’t think much of it:

https://imgur.com/AfTs28H

https://imgur.com/Pyzmwo0

https://imgur.com/4i1upGh
What did instantly catch my eye however, was the control cavity, which was unmistakably an early ‘50s, specifically mid ‘53 post trapeze tail with the distinctive small drilled out put jack hole!

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Great eye on catching this guitar. I looked up the guitar on Reverb and noticed the case had “OASIS” stenciled on the top lid. Did you inquire about the guitar’s history by chance? Could it have belonged to one of the guys in that band or was it placed there from an original owner long before? Just curious on that. Would be cool though if one of the guys actually owned it at one point.
 
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charliechitlins said:
To "gold it" would be restoring it to its former, proper glory.
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I beg to differ. No matter how correct/authentic gold paint used & even with convincing lacquer checking, it will always be a refin.
And the top in question begs for a burst finish IMNSHO.
To restore a finish to its former, proper glory would be to carefully remove a non-original overspray from a guitar (if possible), to reveal it's original finish. And that's not an option here, since the LP was already refin'ed and the original gold finish long gone.
YMMV...
 
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sweiger said:
With a 2-piece almost center seam maple top, even sporting some flame?
Of course you are. :censored:(y)
To gold it would be sacrilege.
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It appears to me that this is a three piece top…
with a section of the lower bass bout being the third piece. Also, the rest of that bass half has a reddish tI it to it that doesn’t
Lend itself to the transparency of a burst. Ommv…..
 
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Wally said:
It appears to me that this is a three piece top…
with a section of the lower bass bout being the third piece. Also, the rest of that bass half has a reddish tI it to it that doesn’t
Lend itself to the transparency of a burst. Ommv…..
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I’ve done a few dozen of these, and the yellow basecoat serves to unify any discrepancies in wood colour ime, and a correct analine sunburst will look extremely handsome!
 
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Jumping@Shadows said:
I’ve done a few dozen of these, and the yellow basecoat serves to unify any discrepancies in wood colour ime, and a correct analine sunburst will look extremely handsome!
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you’ve done like 36 goldtop to sunburst conversions ? …some pictures of picks of the litter would be very nice to see.
 
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sweiger said:
I beg to differ. No matter how correct/authentic gold paint used & even with convincing lacquer checking, it will always be a refin.
And the top in question begs for a burst finish IMNSHO.
To restore a finish to its former, proper glory would be to carefully remove a non-original overspray from a guitar (if possible), to reveal it's original finish. And that's not an option here, since the LP was already refin'ed and the original gold finish long gone.
YMMV...
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It's not all about the finish.'
That guitar should have a trapeze or stop tailpiece (depending on the year) and may already have an original serial number and/or electronics that would be proper for its vintage.
I know I'm a bit of a broken record, but...if a guitar is a '52 (or whatever) it deserves to be restored as a '52.
 
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charliechitlins said:
It's not all about the finish.'
That guitar should have a trapeze or stop tailpiece (depending on the year) and may already have an original serial number and/or electronics that would be proper for its vintage.
I know I'm a bit of a broken record, but...if a guitar is a '52 (or whatever) it deserves to be restored as a '52.
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IMO It's mostly about the the finish in this case anyway.. but you're entitled to your opinion like everyone else o.c.
I'm just glad J@S does not share that opinion with this guitar.
(Or the other extraordinary beautiful bursts he has done, for that matter) :)
 
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While the work is probably high quality and any owner can do whatever they want with their guitars, I'd prefer to see these guitars restored to their respective model specs and not burst conversions.
 
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IMHO, @Jumping@Shadows has taken an already compromised 1952 Les Paul body and is in the process of making it into a much more playable instrument. Based on the quality of his work, I would venture to say that he will have increased the value of what he purchased while making it into a much more valuable asset as regards making music.
 
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There's clearly 2 camps; those of us who like restorations and those of us who like conversions.

Personally I like both, meaning any quality effort to ressurect any basket case guitar is applauded, but just prefer restorations.
 
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