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dgk

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dgk

hey toni...so i'm to lessen the angle between the tailpiece and bridge? not necesarrily change the distance from the string to the polepieces??
 

toni

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DGK

yes you're right, you thus lessen the angle between the tailpiece and the bridge.
but the distance between the strings and the polepiece won'be be affected, not at all.
The strings will only sit on the bridge at a softer angle. You dont have to make any adjustment to the ABR1 bridge.
Dont worry, try it ! you'll be amazed by the difference with tone.

Dont forget to loosen completely all strings before you unscrew the tailpiece studs.


Toni
 

WildBill

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Hello
I tried antiquities and Holmes in my R9
I think the Holmes are much better
there more complex and have more character
the antiquities sounded too mellow and plain
a bit lifleless in comparison
Holmes pups are much closer to the orinal materials used
than Duncans
infact Seymour told me that himself
other people who have ab'd Holmes and antiquities
with originals told me that the Holmes are the closest
pup to the originals
Just to name a few people
Ken Fischer
Hogy of Komet amps
George Alessandro
Bill Chapin of Chapin guitars
I talked to Tom recently
he told me that Jimmy Page and the Black Crows
just started using them recently
I trust them more than someone who would
compare a Holmes to a Dimarzio
that definetely tells me 59 burst dont know what he,s talking about
If they like the antiquities better thats fine
antiquities are great pups
so are Holmes
different strokes for different folks
 

toni

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Wildbill

very interesting comparo with details
thanks
did you tried Fralins ?
I am not after PAF tone just for the sake of it.

Toni
 

1959burst

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ooooooh nice wild bill!

i beg to differ!OOPS! i just seen on the marketplace where your selling a pair! DAMM ,i didn't mean to say anything that might interfere with your sale! my opinion stands and i do know what i'm talking about!
 
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Tonefiend

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I wonder if I put a korina spacer in my PAFs i f the tone would have more mojo?
:dj:
 

toni

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I can't find Tom Holmes web site...
Wich store sells these pickups ?

thanks
 
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Cohiba

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I know that our BCR/Greg had a pair of covered Seth Lovers with double cream bobbins for sale a day or two ago on the Hamer forum in case anyone's interested
 
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Ed A

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Interesting comment from Wild Bill: '59 burst dont know what he's talking about'.

Well if a guy who owns many LPs with original PAFs has done comparisons, I would listen to his opinion. Maybe you might have a different opinion but I wouldnt say he doesnt know what he's talking about.

Besides, HE DOES KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT!

Ive had about a dozen real PAFs and currently use a pair of double whites. Ive had Holmes and Ive had Antiquities. Holmes are GREAT sounding pickups but DO NOT sound like PAFs. They are louder and more ballsy with much less character and the top end is not as sweet.

Now on the other hand, I think Antiquities go a bit too far in the other direction. A little wimpy and not as much honky mids as compared to the real deal. BUT, their character is much closer to an original than a Holmes (in my worthless opinion of course). Ive found that swapping out the weakened magnet in the anitquity to a full strength Alnico II (available direct from Duncan), helped them.

Lastly, just because the Black Crowes and Page use them doesnt prove they are the closest to the real deal. They obviously like the way they sound, nothing wrong with that. -Ed A
 

LHakim

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Ed A, just curious--did you ever experiment w/ sliding an alnico V magnet into the antquity? If you did how'd it sound?
 
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charles farley

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Hey EdA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

forgive my ignorance Ed, but wouldn't you just have an unpotted Seth Lover with an aged cover at that point?????
 

toni

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Ed A

I tought it was you who made the good comments on Harmony Central about the superiority of T Holmes PU compared to all others in 1997 ?
 

Dewey

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BTW, WildBill, Hogy from Comet is buying PAF repo's from Jim Rolph currently, and from what I understand likes them a lot! Spoke with Jim today about them, but said he has more business than he really needs and no time to get anything done! Said he is making one of the most accurate copies of paf's he's ever made. :dew

Also, in our conversation, Jim mentioned that he thought the Tom Holmes p/u sounded pretty close to paf tone...FWIW, he thought they were very good repo's.
 
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WildBill

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First of all to 59 Burst
If you notice im also selling an antiquity as well as the Holmes
second of all the reason I said you didnt know what you were'
taking about is specificaly based on the statement that you made
"Holmes sound like Dimarzios"
that a ridiculous statement
ive never abd them to originals
but I have to antiquitys
all I know is they sound better than antiquitys
Ed A made a pretty fair comparison Holmes verses antiquities
and it is a fact that the actual material used to construct Holmes
is the closest by far
there even hand wound on the exact same machines as the originals
tom Holmes purchased the original machines
He went to great lenghts to reproduce a faithful repro
and is respected by many
as well as Seymour Duncan
Seymour told me that himself
infact like I said earlier Seymour even told me construction wise
the Holmes are more accurate than the antiquity
Tom Holmes is a great guy and takes much pride in his work
he builds the entire pup himself
even makes the covers himself
I just think its ignorant to knock someone
who is held in such High respect
If you think antiquities are the closest thing to pafs and you love
them great
im happy for you
dont play holmes if you dont like em
but dont tell people they sound like dimarzios
if you knew half of the research and heart as well as
craftsman ship that went into Holmes pups youd be ashamed
of yourself for making an accusation like that
Just wanted people here to know that there are people
who think very highly of Tom Holmes pups
people who are very highly respected for there opinions
and knowledge of tone themselves
people like
George Alessandro
Ken Fischer
Hogy
Jim page
I could go on
and you know what most of them would tell you that
nothing is like an original good paf
but if you want a real good pup for $125.00 get a Holmes
 

Davepaf

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Are you Toms mother or somthing?:lolspin
 
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WildBill

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Hi Dave I hear ya
I usualy dont say much
but when I feel strongly about something
I can be intense
I just know that Tom is good people
and builds a quality product with pride
I dont beleive the people that bash his pups realize
what is put into them as far as research materials and craftsmanship in comparison to other builders
I feel lucky to have them
even if they dont sound just like pafs

ive been playing them for 4 years
and recently got hyped up about antiquities from some of the
posts ive read here
So I bought some
and found I like the Holmes much Better
just figured I would let people know my opinion
Handcrafted work by one man is quite unique
and hard to find
 

Davepaf

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Hey I was just kidding man, glad you can take a joke. Its cool to be passionet about your gear.
You'll find we all are to some extent in this place!
 

toni

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thanks WildBill

I still own a set of Antiquities in my 59 (i like it but they lack some warm bass) and I'll try Holmes or Fralins in my 58.
In the meanwhile I'll try Ed A's idea to change magnets for full strenght Alnico II in Antiquities.
 
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