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The NEW $20,000 Murphy Lab 1959 Limited Edition Brazilian Les Paul... what are your thoughts?

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These go to 11 said:
I agree and fortunately there are some talented builders out there that will build you one for less money. I was told Bartlett does a very accurate build?
Not sure if he even does replica's anymore though?
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No doubt. The bottom line is? It’s NOT the guitar. If you had a Time Machine and brought say a 2012 condom truss rod model historic to Page, Green, Kossoff, Clapton in their prime? They’d STILL put you in awe. “This guitar is touch sensitive.” No it’s not! The amp is touch sensitive in dynamics. And the players playing it.

There comes a time when the law of diminishing returns comes into play and we’ve already gotten to that point with 2013 to now. But you have ppl so brainwashed they can hear the difference between a braz board and rich lite fingerboards. If that’s the case? Then they’ll tell you they can hear the difference between nickel plated and pure nickel strings. They’re full of shit. But the kool-aid is thick…
 
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Wizard1183 said:
Then they’ll tell you they can hear the difference between nickel plated and pure nickel strings. They’re full of shit. But the kool-aid is thick…
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The only difference i detect with the pure nickles is the wound strings have a more of a played in feel and sound as opposed to nickle steels.
I play either does not matter to me. The nickle steel wounds are just like pure nickles after about 4 hours of playing on them anyway.😁 Obviously the plain string are 100% identical on both.
I agree with you marketing and snake oil is big in this biz.
 
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ForeverFabFour said:
I couldn't agree more! I have two different Epiphone Casinos (62 & 65) that have Brazilian boards that were made along side the 335s and 330s. Cost less than $5k each when I picked them up in the last few years.
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If Brazilian makes all the difference, but a Danelectro.
Im surprised the guitar vampires who make "conversions", recreations, m and the like, haven't been buying up Danelectros, Supros, et.al. and harvesting the fretboard.
 
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The whole "Murphy Lab" thing is utterly laughable. A "lab".......really?

The majority of ageing work was outsourced to subcontractors, many of whom were left in the lurch, owed very significant sums that remain unpaid, when Gibson went bust. The actual work is inconsistent, as you would expect given the above. At best it's just crap.

IME Gibson reissues are about as far from a vintage 'burst as anybody making something labelled "accurate" could get away with and avoid a suit. They don't look like 'bursts and they don't sound like 'bursts. If you like them, then great, but don't confuse the two.

Somebody should ask Tom about a middle of the night meeting at remote airport with a fake 'burst for sale. Now, that would be an interesting conversation.

FFS....
 
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F-Hole said:
The whole "Murphy Lab" thing is utterly laughable. A "lab".......really?

The majority of ageing work was outsourced to subcontractors, many of whom were left in the lurch, owed very significant sums that remain unpaid, when Gibson went bust. The actual work is inconsistent, as you would expect given the above. At best it's just crap.

IME Gibson reissues are about as far from a vintage 'burst as anybody making something labelled "accurate" could get away with and avoid a suit. They don't look like 'bursts and they don't sound like 'bursts. If you like them, then great, but don't confuse the two.

Somebody should ask Tom about a middle of the night meeting at remote airport with a fake 'burst for sale. Now, that would be an interesting conversation.

FFS....
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Yea…I’m sure you’ve read my stance before on the Tom FOOLERY aging techniques that many like to cream over.

But…the illusion and dream are selling like hot cakes.
 
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F-Hole said:
The whole "Murphy Lab" thing is utterly laughable. A "lab".......really?

The majority of ageing work was outsourced to subcontractors, many of whom were left in the lurch, owed very significant sums that remain unpaid, when Gibson went bust. The actual work is inconsistent, as you would expect given the above. At best it's just crap.

IME Gibson reissues are about as far from a vintage 'burst as anybody making something labelled "accurate" could get away with and avoid a suit. They don't look like 'bursts and they don't sound like 'bursts. If you like them, then great, but don't confuse the two.

Somebody should ask Tom about a middle of the night meeting at remote airport with a fake 'burst for sale. Now, that would be an interesting conversation.

FFS....
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I would like to know did Gibson ever pay Michael Geoffrey Ralphs royalty's for your CC Ralphs Burst you so kindly told Gibson to give Ralphs the money ?
 
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I really want to believe that these are special in some way. I have seen a few and played a few. Very nice guitars, but paying that price tag for some "lab" created relic just seems outrageous.

I feel like real "wear" and real "relic" is where the beauty is in these instruments. The story, the fact they were played and loved is what makes it cool (to me).

If you have money to burn and don't play enough to wear one in yourself - I guess, go for it. I personally would rather buy multiple guitars, but I'm not the judge and jury!
 
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El Gringo said:
On what ?
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Chapter 7 bankruptcy - plenty of evidence based material posted on this very forum at the time (2020) showing that a lot of people didn't get paid.

Can't remember the name of the thread otherwise I'd link you to it, but the fuck you by Gibson left another bad taste in this ex-customer's mouth.

Post Ed Wilson's dismissal you couldn't give me a Gibson product.

I'll stick to the pursuit of knowledge of the old stuff...across the board it's simply more interesting to me.
 
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Let’s face it.. we’re all sick and tired of the corporate greed that influences our scene (man).
.. and to quote Robert Plant
“there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run,
There's still time to change the road you're on”

You either accept it, or not.

Them’s the choices.
 
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ourmaninthenorth said:
Chapter 7 bankruptcy - plenty of evidence based material posted on this very forum at the time (2020) showing that a lot of people didn't get paid.

Can't remember the name of the thread otherwise I'd link you to it, but the fuck you by Gibson left another bad taste in this ex-customer's mouth.

Post Ed Wilson's dismissal you couldn't give me a Gibson product.

I'll stick to the pursuit of knowledge of the old stuff...across the board it's simply more interesting to me.
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I certainly know the history in regards to the way Henry G ran Gibson and the Chapter 7 business also . Edwin Wilson was not treated fairly and that's a fact !
 
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ForeverFabFour said:
I played them alongside a standard Murphy lab Les Paul, and only noticed a slight difference. I think these two guitars were particularly resonant, but I don't think that's anything to do with this specific model. Cosmetics aside they didn't play better than a standard Murphy lab. The neck profiles just felt a little more rounded than usual which was nice, at least compared to recent "standard" 1959 reissues from the Murphy lab. And as I stated above the pick ups felt a little more open, quacky, closer to a real PAF.

So do I stand behind the fact that they were two of the best custom shop Les Pauls I've ever played, yes, but I don't think they were leagues ahead of anything else. It was very much splitting hairs. And that's a lot of extra dough for a 1% or 2% perceived gain in quality.
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Thanks.
 
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the 'message' that some in the corporate world offer is not what I would agree to as being 'correct' and/or 'right' but I suppose we all know what corporate greed is all about and corporations are after all in business to procure an endle$$ profit; correct?
Gibson is no different .......
At some level, no matter the product produced and/or purchased we all are a part of feeding that greater corporate machine and we rationalize the fact.


Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again, no, no
Yeah
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
 
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bursty said:
the 'message' that some in the corporate world offer is not what I would agree to as being 'correct' and/or 'right' but I suppose we all know what corporate greed is all about and corporations are after all in business to procure an endle$$ profit; correct?
Gibson is no different .......
At some level, no matter the product produced and/or purchased we all are a part of feeding that greater corporate machine and we rationalize the fact.


Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again, no, no
Yeah
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
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I guess this thread is the same as the one about PAF replicas now. I thought I just wrote this but that was over there...
 
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