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Can you listen to Shredders without getting a headache?

woody-89

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If you like it, you like it. If you don't like it, you don't like it. Whats the problem?! Whether you think somethings great or you think it's shit is your personal preference, not fact.

It's rediculous to say that shredding isn't 'musical'. Whilst it not be as pleasant for you to listen to as an individual, then that's fair enough. I, for example, am not particularly fond of jazz guitar playing, but I can appreciate that it is technically incredibly demanding, and that these guys have spent a long long time getting to that level of playing. I wouldn't say it was bad music, just that I don't enjoy it.

Same goes for 'shredders', surely you must be able to at least acknowledge the fact that these guys are technically very good, and clearly just have different tastes to what they want to play from other people. If it doesn't interest you, then fair enough, but there's no need to dismiss it as not being music. Vai, for example, has taken ideas from all over the world, many different musical cultures and contexts, and has included many of these ideas into a lot of his playing. Not everyone's cup of tea, I know it's not mine, but still, he is undoubtedly a very innovative musician.

But where does simply fast playing turn into shredding?? I'd definately consider Eric Johnson a 'shredder', but I personally feel that he has produced some of the most emotional and MUSICAL pieces I've ever heard.

There doesn't seem any reason to suggest why slow playing should be 'better' than fast playing, or vice versa, but I do believe that both have their place.
 

j0e_x

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when it comes to shredding, johnny thunders is as far as i'll go....
i did like mclaughlin and coryell in the 70s tho...
 

Gold Tone

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Hmmm. Interesting lack of interest in a band that has a huge musical talent and influence, forget chart topping hits........from a musician.

Have you any idea (or do you care) who, for instance, Randy Bachman might be or whom he emulates particularily well musically? Their tone itself, especially of the guitar, is quite mellow and anything but "nails to a chalkboard"

Do you like jazz or classical guitar or do you like 5th chords and high gain metal?

To each their own opinion of course but using BTO as an example of a band that is "nails to a chalkboard" couldn't possible come from anyone who has actually listened to the band outside of hearing an overplayed bar song (Takin' Care of Business) every Friday on drunken binge night.

Though, I shouldn't be surprised, people like Britney Spears can far outsell Django Reinheirdt and are far more listened to. I would bet most fans of Britney would find listening to Django something akin to "nails to a chalkboard"
 

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Hmmm. Interesting lack of interest in a band that has a huge musical talent and influence, forget chart topping hits........from a musician.

Have you any idea (or do you care) who, for instance, Randy Bachman might be or whom he emulates particularily well musically? Their tone itself, especially of the guitar, is quite mellow and anything but "nails to a chalkboard"

Do you like jazz or classical guitar or do you like 5th chords and high gain metal?

To each their own opinion of course but using BTO as an example of a band that is "nails to a chalkboard" couldn't possible come from anyone who has actually listened to the band outside of hearing an overplayed bar song (Takin' Care of Business) every Friday on drunken binge night.

Though, I shouldn't be surprised, people like Britney Spears can far outsell Django Reinheirdt and are far more listened to. I would bet most fans of Britney would find listening to Django something akin to "nails to a chalkboard"


Tone is subjective. As is taste and...BTO tastes, to me, very bad whereas you might find it palatable.

Please don't attempt to correlate BTO with Django.....or insinuate that only the BTO-illiterate could possibly not love the material or tones thereof.

If you're going to denounce the Britneys of the world for their sales figures you probably shouldn't open your post by touting BTO's 'influence and chart-topping hits.'

You can't have it both ways.
 
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Gold Tone

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Tone is subjective. As is taste and...BTO tastes, to me, very bad whereas you might find it palatable.

Please don't attempt to correlate BTO with Django.....or insinuate that only the BTO-illiterate could possibly not love the material or tones thereof.

If you're going to denounce the Britneys of the world for their sales figures you probably shouldn't open your post by touting BTO's 'influence and chart-topping hits.'

You can't have it both ways.


Huh? Did you read the post? Who is talking about tone?

If you don't see the correlation between Randy Bachman and Django and ESPECIALLY Les Paul you have NOT listened to anything recorded by BTO outside of one song that gets repetetive air play.

Wouldn't you like to actually listen to the band you are denouncing before you make your comments? It seems that critiquing something you have never heard is not a very educated critique.

Go have a listen to BTO someday....you obviously have not. I've listened to shredders.
 

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phhhhffffftttt...


I heard PLENTY of BTO in back in the day (much to my chagrin) so don't bother trying to accuse me of being somehow diminished for not being familiar with their material.

If I don't see X (the alleged correlation between RB and Django) then only Y? (Y being unfamiliarity with other BTO material)


Not very logical, is it?



You act as if someone just kicked your sacred cow....:ganz
 

Adwex

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I'll say it again.....

Steve Morse.

He can shred, he can make you laugh, and make you cry. He can stand next to Satch, Petrucci, and Vai at G3, but he can also write beautiful compositions that'll tear your heart out. Without singing one note.
 

Gold Tone

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phhhhffffftttt...


I heard PLENTY of BTO in back in the day (much to my chagrin) so don't bother trying to accuse me of being somehow diminished for not being familiar with their material.

If I don't see X (the alleged correlation between RB and Django) then only Y? (Y being unfamiliarity with other BTO material)


Not very logical, is it?



You act as if someone just kicked your sacred cow....:ganz

I can't admit that anything you have posted in this thread is at all logical. To each their own.

Cheers,

GT

:salude
 

m_rambler

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Listening to shredding....You know that feeling you get when you've just watched TOO much porn?

By the way, anyone who's really getting hot under the collar over this subject should check out my "Coke tastes better than Pepsi" thread in the off topic lounge. You'll love it.:rofl :2zone
 

alainguitars

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Listening to shredders for me is like watching horror movies, as a rule I dislike them and the ones i do watch, come on unexpectedly and I'm too sleepy to turn them off.
 

Joseph Palmer

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Modern shredders have astounding technical licks, but they just don't seem very musical to me.

Steve Howe did some truly inspirational shredding in the opening movements of "Close to the Edge" (1972).

Maybe it's just the way my brain is wired, but I prefer shred in brief bursts, linked with phrases of slower notes. It's almost as if I can buffer the fast phrase, but need a break now and then to process it all.

My other favorite bit of proto-shredding is Jeff Beck's scatterbrain. I think it works for me because it is somewhat related to fractals - sections of fast notes repeated to reveal a slower melodic structure.
 

fjminor

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Here is one group of shredders I never get a headache from, and never grow tired of listening too......enjoy :salude

Mahavishnu Orchestra - look for the play button on this web page:wail ...
 

Traynor_Amp

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My teacher recently turned me on to Guthrie Govan. You could call him a shredder but the guy has great melody and actually puts some feeling into his playing.
 
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