Maybe just a lil TOO good?

Kris Ford · May 24, 2017

fakejake · May 24, 2017

Aside from all the negative things you can say about those guys, the guitars look pretty nice!
Would love to hear from someone who has tried them.
Curious how they compare to Nachocasters, which are located in Spain as well...

Still, the complete lack of identification is crazy ( those neckstamps... tststs)

fakejake · May 24, 2017

"Delivery for new orders is currently 14 - 20 weeks"
That seems really short for making basically everything from scratch. Merely finishing a body properly with nitro should take longer, right?

GuitarMikey · May 24, 2017

Damn scary is what it is!

Zoomer · May 24, 2017

To bad they don't make maple fingerboard models:hank

fakejake · May 24, 2017

Zoomer said:
To bad they don't make maple fingerboard models:hank

Looks like he does:

latestarter · May 24, 2017

GuitarMikey said:
Damn scary is what it is!

That's what I thought too...

renderit · May 24, 2017

fakejake said:
Aside from all the negative things you can say about those guys, the guitars look pretty nice!
Would love to hear from someone who has tried them.
Curious how they compare to Nachocasters, which are located in Spain as well...

Still, the complete lack of identification is crazy ( those neckstamps... tststs)

I thought Nachos was here in Austin Tejas?

STROKER · May 25, 2017

These are different than all the repro, relic things people are making and selling from the pics these are good fakes that will fool a lot of people and some will end up getting screwed over with them I don't agree with it .

Tom Wittrock · May 25, 2017

"Pre CBS guitars manufactured to be indistinguishable from vintage originals from the 1950´s and 1960´s in every detail and dimension*inside and out aswell as being fabulous sounding and playing guitars."

Why? :bigal

Besides screwing people over, why? :rolleyes

F*cking crap, if you ask me. :fu

Kris Ford · May 25, 2017

Yeah..because someone down the road could think a neck or body was REAL..the necks are scary!! with the date stamp and heel and headstock holes..they look real to me! Someone adds real parts..and then what??:dang

And someone is gonna lose a LOT of $$..I would NEVER buy any vintage Fenders in this day and age..no way! Not with stuff like this out there..

sikoniko · May 25, 2017

Kris Ford said:
Yeah..because someone down the road could think a neck or body was REAL..the necks are scary!! with the date stamp and heel and headstock holes..they look real to me! Someone adds real parts..and then what??:dang

And someone is gonna lose a LOT of $$..I would NEVER buy any vintage Fenders in this day and age..no way! Not with stuff like this out there..

I'm not sure if this thread was intended to create an honest debate/conversation or just throw a bunch of mud on this guy, but I'm prepared to be flamed for playing devils advocate here...

Have you priced out what it costs to acquire the parts individually? It's cheaper to just buy a refin. I am a little bit confused though if there is a double standard here... I don't see anyone hating on Derrig replica's. In fact, don't people who adore slash want one? As far as I understand, his intent was the same - even if he wasn't as close.

With that being said, I understand how fake's destroy/devalue the (collectible) market. Isn't that why Charlie decided to sell all of his custom color guitars?

OTOH, if this guy can do this, why can't Fender? FCS has failed to reproduce a historically accurate recreation of their vintage guitars (then again, so has Gibson). Obviously, there is a demand, and I don't believe every customer is doing it with the intent of scamming someone. This guy, Nacho, historic makeovers, dave johnson all get closer than the original manufacturers.

the market is there even for the honest person because the manufacturer refuses to satisfy the demand...

Kris Ford · May 25, 2017

With anything..it's when the replica (which I think are very, very good..and that's the problem..) gets misrepresented as the real deal..though I do get that some people want that degree of accuracy.

GuitarMikey · May 25, 2017

I wonder how they black light?

Kris Ford · May 25, 2017

GuitarMikey said:
I wonder how they black light?

Probably perfectly..:dang

deytookerjaabs · May 25, 2017

They've been around a while too, I remember seeing the link on the tele site years ago.

fakejake · May 25, 2017

Anyone familiar with the zombie thought experiment ?
If it is technically impossible for anyone to determine whether a guitar is real or a repro: does it really matter?

As long as they sound and play great no one should care in theory. In fact, there probably are fewer dogs in the pool of repros than there are in all the real ones.

Maybe at some time in the future someone comes up with a method to precisely date, let's say the year the lacquer was aplied - then thats different of course. Unless this happens within my lifetime and that of my children or grandchildren, I guess I would be fine with a repro that no one (thats an important point!!) can distinguish from an original.

sikoniko · May 25, 2017

the ethical dilemma comes down to two things...considering this person is going to build these guitars for someone, whether anyone here decides to purchase one.

1. is the original customer buying with the intent of deceiving a potential future customer of this guitar?

2. at the time the original owner goes to sell the guitar (or whoever obtains the instrument next - thinking upon passing or original owner loses interest and hands it down), will they be forthright in the provenance and modify the instrument in some way for future buyers to identify that it is not a guitar made by Fender / CBS in the 50s / 60s?

Either way, there is a tremendous amount of responsibility on any customer that commissions a guitar to be made to these specs. Moreso, IMO, than the person building the instrument.

K701 · May 25, 2017

There's a sweet little dedication to me on one of the pages. You could tell the relic work was all done by the same hand, that was the biggest giveaway. He has since removed the photos I referred to from his site and there are no clear photos of his worn Strats. Obviously he's not that confident in his relic abilities, or he's a precious sort who can't take feedback. (He does use sandpaper on the bodies BTW). He promotes that he let's them age 'naturally'. By themselves with psychic desire? Does he cram 50 odd years of 'natural' play wear into those 20 weeks and give you a second hand guitar? He must have sore fingers or special powers.

There are other tells on these guitars. They would only fool someone who was not familiar (in hand) with old Strats.

I will not deny the guy has some talent. But he's not as good as he thinks. If his relicking hand was not blocked by his ego, these fakes would be a whole lot more difficult to identify. There are better fakes out there. I'll give him a B- for effort.

fakejake · May 26, 2017

K701 said:
There's a sweet little dedication to me on one of the pages. You could tell the relic work was all done by the same hand, that was the biggest giveaway. He has since removed the photos I referred to from his site and there are no clear photos of his worn Strats. Obviously he's not that confident in his relic abilities, or he's a precious sort who can't take feedback. (He does use sandpaper on the bodies BTW). He promotes that he let's them age 'naturally'. By themselves with psychic desire? Does he cram 50 odd years of 'natural' play wear into those 20 weeks and give you a second hand guitar? He must have sore fingers or special powers.

There are other tells on these guitars. They would only fool someone who was not familiar (in hand) with old Strats.

I will not deny the guy has some talent. But he's not as good as he thinks. If his relicking hand was not blocked by his ego, these fakes would be a whole lot more difficult to identify. There are better fakes out there. I'll give him a B- for effort.

Thats interesting... in other words: while the guitars themselves look good, its mostly the ageing that looks unconvincing?
From those pics you've seen, would you say the ageing was on par with Fender CS or for example Danocasters? Better, worse?

Maybe just a lil TOO good?

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