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Soon we wil have a new ES 330 A concept from the Music Machine days now reailty

class5lp

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Soon we will have a new ES 330 A concept from the Music Machine days now reailty

Back in the Summer of 2002 Dave Carpenter and I talked about doing many custom runs. Some of them that came true were the Stinger Series, Koa 356's, Chambered Customs, Real Feels, and the list goes on and on. Music Machine took in a vintage sunburst ES 330 on trade and I thought about buying it many times and I used to call the store and talk to Dave for hours about how great 330's are. Finally after a couple of months Dave told me if I did'nt buy it he was going to so I called his bluff and guess what, he bought it.

Its no secret and everyone here knows about my passion and love for the 330. Dave and I used to reminence about old Casinos and ES 330's and how these really were some of the best guitars Gibson ever made during the 60's but just don't get the respect they deserve. With the 330 always taking the back seat to the 335 Dave reminded me that a 330 is a players guitar. I concurred and told Dave that real players know that a 330 is a great guitar and probably one of if not thee most versatile guitars Gibson ever made. Remember that kid from England that bought a Casino and became one of the best song writers ever and it was not long after his mates John and George had to have one. Some of the most recognized songs in the world were written and recorded on 330/Casino guitars.

Flash back to 2002 I told Dave how great it would be if we could get Gibson to make us the 330 that never was! We wanted these guitars for ourselves to play and take to a gig but it had to have all the important specs that a true player would want in his guitar. We wanted 1 guitar for the entire gig without having to change guitars or bring muntiple guitars to the gig but yet could handle many different genres of music. We kicked around many ideas and we put our heads together and came up with what we thought a true player would want in his work horse. Soon after our dream 330 was a concept on paper some of Gibson's policies changed and Music Machine was sold so I just figured the project was a squash.

Fast forward to July 2008 Dave tracked me down during the NAMM show and threw a case up on the table and said I want you to take a look at this guitar for me! With Dave you never know what could be in that case but low and behold it was the prototype ES 330 we talked about 6 years ago made by Gibson Custom. I took it out of the case and I was blown away. I could not believe my eyes. This thing had all the features of a 59 ES 330 but all the modern features to make it a great players guitar plus some other things only found on the high end arch tops like the L5 and Super 400.

Because me and so many others here have had such a jones for an updated verison on the 330 I emailed Dave the other day and he told me these guitars should start shipping by the of September and pre-orders will be available on the Muscians Friend web sight any day now.
 
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Tonebender

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Finally something from Gibby that's really exciting to see. Shame that I just bought a Casino a few days ago that I've fallen hard for. Thanks for sharing. One quibble though. Does anyone ever notice that Gibson seems to get the knobs wrong alot? The sunburst should have the gold reflector knobs not the black. The black on the `burst is just jarring and ugly. Ok make it 2 quibbles. No natural? Blue is damned nice but I'm a big fan of natural (my new Casino is natural.) In any case a new 330 is tremendous thing to see!
 

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This really looks nice!

Have Gibson done anything to ease out the difference in pickup output?
 

MikeSlub

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It's interesting that the blue and sunburst ones in that photo have reflector knobs, and the cherry one has 50's style knobs. :wah

Still, it's cool that they've thought enough about the model to reintroduce it, even if it is more late 60's style with the long neck and square inlays than 50's style with short neck and dots. :hank

I'm guessing this is Memphis production? :hmm
 
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Hi MIke,

Glad you like it. Yes it is a Mephis production. Keep in mind these photos were of the pre-production prototype guitars and the production guitars will all have the reflector knobs. Im sure the burst will be more accurate too once they get going into production. Im just tickled we finally got a new ES 330.
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Troels

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Finally something from Gibby that's really exciting to see. Shame that I just bought a Casino a few days ago that I've fallen hard for. Thanks for sharing. One quibble though. Does anyone ever notice that Gibson seems to get the knobs wrong alot? The sunburst should have the gold reflector knobs not the black. The black on the `burst is just jarring and ugly. Ok make it 2 quibbles. No natural? Blue is damned nice but I'm a big fan of natural (my new Casino is natural.) In any case a new 330 is tremendous thing to see!

I would prefer the Casino... and ... my original 1960 sunburst ES-330 have original black reflectors... with Gibson things is only sometimes...

And quoting mhyself from the other 330 thread: Reading the notes next to the picture in the link shows clearly, that Gibson (I was about to say as usual...) doesn't know how a genuine vintage Gibson is build as original 50s-60s ES-330 certainly do have the contour bracing (on inside surface of the top). With that lack of knowledge it definitely must be a "Historic", right Henry???

PS I wanna bet that the blind layer in the body laminates is poplar....
 

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To hell with vintage correctness :) That looks like a mighty fine guitar ... I want one! (and can't afford one BTW)
 
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This really looks nice!

Have Gibson done anything to ease out the difference in pickup output?

It looks like they put a spacer under the bridge pickup.

I like it, if the pickups are right it could be very nice.

It's about as accurate as any other pseudo-Historic Gibson.

"Historic" is loosely defined at Gibson.

For not much more money you can get a decent '60s ES-330.
 
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To hell with vintage correctness :) That looks like a mighty fine guitar ... I want one! (and can't afford one BTW)

Not that I disagree... but without contour bracing/reinforcement of the top, the hole box will collaps... and then it will be a to hell with the hole guitar... :) :)
 

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Exactly how did you diagnose that it doesnt have the "contour bracing/reinforcement" of the top?

The description states that it doesnt have the combination of the maple block and bracing.

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Also, for the "its not exactly like a 59 crowd", check out this quote:

The artisans at Gibson Custom have created a new kind of ES-330 that is not a reissue yet it has all the attributes of the original 1959 ES-330 with enhancements like the vintage period correct 1 11/16" nut, correct 17 degree angled headstock, long neck profile, and vintage premium tuners.

It was never intended to be exact. I love the changes. Who gives a crap if the knobs aren't in precisely the right spot?
 

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Also, for the "its not exactly like a 59 crowd", ... It was never intended to be exact. I love the changes. Who gives a crap if the knobs aren't in precisely the right spot?

Oh oh - I guess someone struck a nerve this morning with the vintage references! :wah :ganz

I will admit that I am an AVH. I think they got it right tonally, playability and otherwise in '59 with the short neck, dot inlays, button tuners, etc.

But I do like many modern Gibsons as well.

All that said, as mentioned in my previous post, I think the "new" model is fine and will definitely have appeal to buyers who want the all-hollow ES sound are aren't looking for "period correct". :2cool :salude
 

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As far as value goes, you're better off with a vintage ES-330 that's a little more $ but won't depreciate right away. It will be interesting to see how well this new model sells.
 

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Mike,

I've seen pix of your fine 59's - 60's

Do you have many (any) mid-late 60's?
 

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Mike,

I've seen pix of your fine 59's - 60's

Do you have many (any) mid-late 60's?

I have none past '64. The '64 is the only one that I have with nickel/chrome (whatever) covers, but still has the short and beefy neck. :hank
 

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As others have said the model is nice & it's good that Gibson have re-introduced it but you can pick up a real vintage one for not much more & I know which I'd rather have.
 
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Exactly how did you diagnose that it doesnt have the "contour bracing/reinforcement" of the top?

The description states that it doesnt have the combination of the maple block and bracing...

It sure does have..! But Gibsons own notes says it doesn't... at least I read it like that:

"The ES-330 guitar's body is truly hollow and has no center brace running through it, making it a lightweight, comfortable and uniquely resonant instrument. Since the ES 330 does not have a maple center block affixed by two spruce contour braces it is free to vibrate acoustically and the weight reduction is substantial..."
 

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Totally cool. Can't wait for an in hands description. Let's also not forget two other guys that used 330's/Casino's on a regular basis....Keef and Brian Jones.:2cool
 

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Hey guys, sorry for any incorrect references to this new ES 330. The SKU went live before I had chance to do my job and correct the errors in copy and images. My fault!

This new “Best Of” ES 330 was never supposed to be a Historic Reissue! Though my Cherry ’67 long neck (which I love and have gigged with) was used as a point of reference, but only as a point of reference. I had the last call on each feature of this guitar. It is suppose to be a player’s guitar! It is an “I love my ES 330/Casino but I wish they would have done this or that” guitar! To quote Class5lp this is “the guitar that never was”!

Just for reference Gibson Custom owns a ’59 ES 330 that they have studied.

I could have used Gibson’s ’59 ES 330 for a reissue. Or I could have used one of my ’64, ’65, ’67 ES 330s or my ‘64 Casino for a Reissue (as you can see I favor the mid ‘60s ES 330s though I appreciate every year for what each year offers). But like it has been stated on this thread there may be a need for a “Players ES 330” and vintage examples are available and really still affordable. A vintage ES 330 is a worth while guitar to have around the house. But for me it isn’t an either/or… it is an AND!

For those that wanted a Vintage Reissue I apologize. For those that wanted a bit different ES 330 to play gigs and record with… and you know who you are… you might try this variation.

Troels - The blind ply is poplar.

It sure does have..! But Gibsons own notes says it doesn't... at least I read it like that:
"The ES-330 guitar's body is truly hollow and has no center brace running through it, making it a lightweight, comfortable and uniquely resonant instrument. Since the ES 330 does not have a maple center block affixed by two spruce contour braces it is free to vibrate acoustically and the weight reduction is substantial..."

Sorry for the confusion Troels. I can see how the copy was confusing. It will be corrected.
The top does have the spruce contour brace.
I will do my best to watch this thread and I will do my best to fix the copy as you guys find the need.

Just a quick but important note - I provided Gibson Custom with much detailed images, measurements, even an X-Ray. Gibson is building exactly what I asked them build.

I hope this helps. DC
 

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And let not forget a Legend that played a ES330. Look at this old photo of Jimmy McCarty when he was about the ripe old age of 17 in Mitch Ryders band The Detroit Wheels. The Devil with the Blue Dress was Jenny!! Here they sported a pair of 330's. I hope Johnny The Bee dont get too pissed for using his photo but man I love those guys plus Jimmy is a friend!!
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