The Truth About P-90's

duaneflowers said:

Yes... a true troll would...

At any rate, I do look forward to your documentary on logicizing tone though... proving that tone is systemic (or any of that other BS you claim to be fact) rather than subjective might be tricky.... henceforth you can consider yourself ignored, so don't bother responding unless you just want to continue your wank...

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mkeditor said:

Any thoughts on the stock pots and capacitors?

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P.Walker said:

Well, I'm sorry to hear that and I'll apologize if I came rude upon my part; I was just looking for an engaging debate.

For one, I wanted a debate not a documentary, I think tone is subjective (as you said) but it is systemic (the whole sum of its parts); it is not a strict hegelian dialectic as you seem to have misunderstood me. I think that if you would read beyond the offensive, you would realize a little that what I said is not 100% bs, even if you may not like or agree with it.

The intention was not to wank, so again I do apologize for the offence that I have caused.

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duaneflowers said:

Amen to that...

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Pellman73 said:

and for what its worth I agree w Duane in that the proof for me is in this pudding

The pickups in the guitar
I hold the guitar
The amp is in front of me

Playing and having that tactile experience of playing the guitar and having that feedback loop of BEING IN THE ROOM with all of it.... that to me PERSONALLY is where its at and it is very hard for me personally to tell much from videos on the internet

but I do think there are people out there like Al and some of you other guys who can really hear the differences from those A/B comparisons and get something out of them.

Of course the scientist in me would say that it should be done in a double blind manner which would be very hard. I do think there is a bias when you want to like something.

these are all such subjective experiential things that are so personal to the listener I just don't understand how there is an argument to be had (how many times could this sentence apply to threads that go into weird places)

I DO also know that those Wizz humbuckers I put in my CC #15 are fu#king badass and bring me joy.... I"M guessing his p90 offerings are nice too

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Texas Blues said:

Well replied with good debate senor.

But lemme' 'splain y'all lucy...

Forget acoustics, the room, the gear, the pup's, guitar, line voltage, whatever...

When I was a young kid I hated the taste of avocados and salmon.

Later on as I got older my taste buds changed and what I earlier disliked I not only liked but even began to crave.

Up until I was about my mid 40's or so I could lay my right hand on the end of nose and see every line.

Within only a coupla' more years I couldn't see my out stretched hand without it being blurry.

I remember back in 1969 when I was in 6th grade that my best friends older sister wore hippy patchouli oil and I thought it smelled like a burnt cat.

Later on in high school I had a class with a little redhead hippy chick I sat next to that reeked of the stuff.

Maybe it was the hippy BO mixed with the aroma of patchouli that somehow shape shifted into something else, I really don't know...

But the smell of her made me harder than penitentiary steel with a head on it like a house cat!

The sound I could hear when I was a young man is much different from what I can hear now.

I definitely don't hear higher frequencies as I used to even though I have always used hearing protection with any 'thang louder than a sewing machine.

I have commented before on the forum that on monday I can pick up the guitar and to me it rocks harder than chinese arithmetic.

On tuesday I go into the same room, same guitar, same amp settings, same ever dang 'thang and IT SOUNDS LIKE SHINOLA!!!!

I'm no 'gubment funded scientist with a star trek wham wham and zuzu that detects and records air density, temperature, and the earths magnetic field.

So leaving out the Bill Nye the Science Guy crap, I can only come to the conclusion that...its me.

The drummer hears this...

The bass player hears that....

I tell 'em both "screw you....I'm a guitar player!"


So back to this p90 'thang....

I can give anyone my opinion on what I like.

But I can't hear for anyone other than myself.



Then again...

It doesn't matter how old you are, who you are, or what faculties you possess...

Bacon smells pretty fucking good sizzling away in a pan.


Have mercy.

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P.Walker said:

As for the innards, you said this was a stock 96 lp special, but I see aftermarket caps and just regular cts pots (also aftermarket).
Were you questioning the originality of the electronic parts or something else?

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Texas Blues said:

Well replied with good debate senor.

But lemme' 'splain y'all lucy...

Forget acoustics, the room, the gear, the pup's, guitar, line voltage, whatever...

When I was a young kid I hated the taste of avocados and salmon.

Later on as I got older my taste buds changed and what I earlier disliked I not only liked but even began to crave.

Up until I was about my mid 40's or so I could lay my right hand on the end of nose and see every line.

Within only a coupla' more years I couldn't see my out stretched hand without it being blurry.

I remember back in 1969 when I was in 6th grade that my best friends older sister wore hippy patchouli oil and I thought it smelled like a burnt cat.

Later on in high school I had a class with a little redhead hippy chick I sat next to that reeked of the stuff.

Maybe it was the hippy BO mixed with the aroma of patchouli that somehow shape shifted into something else, I really don't know...

But the smell of her made me harder than penitentiary steel with a head on it like a house cat!

The sound I could hear when I was a young man is much different from what I can hear now.

I definitely don't hear higher frequencies as I used to even though I have always used hearing protection with any 'thang louder than a sewing machine.

I have commented before on the forum that on monday I can pick up the guitar and to me it rocks harder than chinese arithmetic.

On tuesday I go into the same room, same guitar, same amp settings, same ever dang 'thang and IT SOUNDS LIKE SHINOLA!!!!

I'm no 'gubment funded scientist with a star trek wham wham and zuzu that detects and records air density, temperature, and the earths magnetic field.

So leaving out the Bill Nye the Science Guy crap, I can only come to the conclusion that...its me.

The drummer hears this...

The bass player hears that....

I tell 'em both "screw you....I'm a guitar player!"


So back to this p90 'thang....

I can give anyone my opinion on what I like.

But I can't hear for anyone other than myself.



Then again...

It doesn't matter how old you are, who you are, or what faculties you possess...

Bacon smells pretty fucking good sizzling away in a pan.


Have mercy.

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mkeditor said:

Interesting. So you're saying they've been replaced. Do you think these are a good choice?

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mkeditor said:

Thanks for making the video. I liked the goldtop the best but the 330 was close. I'd love to see the goldtop compared with the Throbak's.

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Sombrero top said:

Testing my Gibson ES 330 L with Lollar 50's wind P90's. Here's clip I made; first neck, then middle and bridge positions:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/mavartia/P90_neck_middle_bridge.mp3

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Texas Blues said:

Well replied with good debate senor.

But lemme' 'splain y'all lucy...

Forget acoustics, the room, the gear, the pup's, guitar, line voltage, whatever...

When I was a young kid I hated the taste of avocados and salmon.

Later on as I got older my taste buds changed and what I earlier disliked I not only liked but even began to crave.

Up until I was about my mid 40's or so I could lay my right hand on the end of nose and see every line.

Within only a coupla' more years I couldn't see my out stretched hand without it being blurry.

I remember back in 1969 when I was in 6th grade that my best friends older sister wore hippy patchouli oil and I thought it smelled like a burnt cat.

Later on in high school I had a class with a little redhead hippy chick I sat next to that reeked of the stuff.

Maybe it was the hippy BO mixed with the aroma of patchouli that somehow shape shifted into something else, I really don't know...

But the smell of her made me harder than penitentiary steel with a head on it like a house cat!

The sound I could hear when I was a young man is much different from what I can hear now.

I definitely don't hear higher frequencies as I used to even though I have always used hearing protection with any 'thang louder than a sewing machine.

I have commented before on the forum that on monday I can pick up the guitar and to me it rocks harder than chinese arithmetic.

On tuesday I go into the same room, same guitar, same amp settings, same ever dang 'thang and IT SOUNDS LIKE SHINOLA!!!!

I'm no 'gubment funded scientist with a star trek wham wham and zuzu that detects and records air density, temperature, and the earths magnetic field.

So leaving out the Bill Nye the Science Guy crap, I can only come to the conclusion that...its me.

The drummer hears this...

The bass player hears that....

I tell 'em both "screw you....I'm a guitar player!"


So back to this p90 'thang....

I can give anyone my opinion on what I like.

But I can't hear for anyone other than myself.



Then again...

It doesn't matter how old you are, who you are, or what faculties you possess...

Bacon smells pretty fucking good sizzling away in a pan.


Have mercy.

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thin sissy said:

Could you elaborate on this? Maybe it's hard to make generalizations, but I'm very curious. I have a 57 Jr, and have played a couple of 57's and 58's and loved every guitar (with their respective pickup, of course). How do the earlier versions compare in your opinion?

As for the P-90 vs. humbucker thing, I think you kind of have to "learn" how to use them properly (doesn't take long though). Turning the vol pot down (or switching to a dead pup) during quiet parts or between songs isn't something that everybody does for some reason, and maybe the hum is off putting for them. And then there are spots you can stand in where the hum is lower than other spots, and that may be inconvenient. And of course, many people prefer the tone of humbuckers. IMO, P-90's are hard to beat, probably the best allround pup there is.

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