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Vintage 1958 RED Les Paul Standard

Maxmc

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Just stumbled across this from a Mike Menza. It all nearly ended sadly, with Joe Menza swinging the headstock around very near to the table he was sitting at. Very clean, VERY clean and not a hint of fade.
 

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There’s another one out there too from ‘59, but with a Bigsby.
 
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S. Weiger

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Oh my heart pumped real fast @7:29... I hope they went "oops, we gotta be a little more careful with this treasure" when they saw it on the video..
As the saying goes "If mint, keep it mint." ✌️
Thx for sharing
 
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The most important part of that video was that they have a photocopy of the shipping ledger page.
I thought the shipping ledger was missing?
 

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The most important part of that video was that they have a photocopy of the shipping ledger page.
I thought the shipping ledger was missing?
The first half of 1958 is not missing AFAIK -at least not this part of '58..
 

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Ronn David was the guy who had it with the pics in Guitar Player etc, love that one (y)
 

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Is it for sale? If not, who owns it.

Heard that Joe B has the black one.
 

S. Weiger

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Chrome hardware?
Yeah almost looks as if it was. Yellow reflection from the nickel can be seen in the video, though.
And who in their right mind would change the parts to chrome on a unique vintage guitar?
 

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Yeah almost looks as if it was. Yellow reflection from the nickel can be seen in the video, though.
And who in their right mind would change the parts to chrome on a unique vintage guitar?

It's happened before.
 

S. Weiger

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It's happened before.
Mayhap, but not on this one I'm sure. Yellow reflection all the way as I see it in that video. If this Gibson has chrome parts, I'll eat my Burst..!

And, can you be more specific re. unscrupulous part exchange on vintage guitars? I'm curious..
 

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Mayhap, but not on this one I'm sure. Yellow reflection all the way as I see it in that video. If this Gibson has chrome parts, I'll eat my Burst..!

And, can you be more specific re. unscrupulous part exchange on vintage guitars? I'm curious..


Said guitar just sold very recently, with all the chrome removed.
 

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Said guitar just sold very recently, with all the chrome removed.
Thx. I remember that thread now. :)

---Rev.WillieVK said: -------------------------
"I know a guy that had all the metal parts (everything!) of his '59 burst chrome plated around '70...

... the nickle was all dull and he wanted it shiny again" o_O
---------------------------------------------

I know ppl did all sorts of things to their guitars back then, but
That is on the verge of a felony IMO. 🤨✌️
 

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I really can't imagine this isn't a refin GT. I know Gibson made the first 58' Burst with an off-center seam but I don't believe they made this one in this color? If the guitar was sent back to Gibson for refin like the Rick Derringer 1957 GT (LUCY), Gibson changed all nickel to chrome because in the 60s that's what they had. Derringer sold the guitar because he felt they ruined it with the updates while refinishing was what he'd asked for.
 

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My uncle -RIP, was an attorney, and a guy-Steve Morman-Ralph Morman's Cousin.
Ralph, sang on Joe Perry's first Solo album-Let the Music Do the Talking.. Ralph passed in 2014.
But Steves brother, Mike passed, in 1999 - 2000, and Steve came to my uncle, to do the estate. Steve passed in 2021.
So. It turns out, his older brother had a Red 58 Les Paul. Pristine condition. Not sure if it was Wine, or Cherry Red. I didnt see it, and cant remember what shade of Red Steve told me it was.
So neither one of them knowing anything about guitars, Steve went to Gruhn's, and he offered $50,000 for the guitar, right on the spot. And Steve took the money.
I dont know what the actual worth of a 58 LP was in 2000, but Id think he could have gotten more than $50,000.
 

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I really can't imagine this isn't a refin GT. I know Gibson made the first 58' Burst with an off-center seam but I don't believe they made this one in this color? If the guitar was sent back to Gibson for refin like the Rick Derringer 1957 GT (LUCY), Gibson changed all nickel to chrome because in the 60s that's what they had. Derringer sold the guitar because he felt they ruined it with the updates while refinishing was what he'd asked for.
Watch the video @ 7:32. The feb. 1958 Gibson ledger is the definitive proof.
 
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