Video beating

[Bluburst135]

By now, everyone must of seen the Ohio cops taking that HUGE man down. too bad that he died,altho noone can say for sure if the dope did it or the billy clubs,or both. Do you think anything positive can come from this sort of "news"? Personally, quilty or innocent, noone should be beaten by clubs, when we have stun-guns and other types of equipment to get control of a situation. I agree the police should be able to protect themselves.Emotions can't always be kept in check,even by trained people. Your opinions ,Please....

 

[Wisertime]

From what I saw of that video, he looked like he wanted to kick some ass and wasn't going down until they took him down. The dude was big, and the cops looked as though they may have been defending themselves. You'd have to know every detail, I guess. But so far, I side with the police on this one.

 

[Heritage 80]

Too much of what happened is off-camera. Who knows what really happened? All I know is that I wouldn't want to be on the jury of this future court case. Between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Buffaloe]

Unless you were there and a participant, you can't know what was really happening. I've never had a problem with a police officer (well OK, one really bad redneck cop in Alabama in '69) because I treat them with respect whenever I have had a contact. That doesn't mean there aren't some short tempered cops that would use unreasonable force, but I'm not going to rush to judgement on a video clip.

It's also quite different to deal with me, a 52 year old guy that just wants to do whatever business is required and move on, and a 300 pound angry, drugged out resisting person who could rip your arms off like they were play dough.

 

[pauldeluxe]

I don't know if his death was an accident or not. The justice system will take its course.

Regardless, I'd bet that if he had simply done whatever the cops asked him to do, he'd still be alive right now. If you want to file some kind of complaint against the police after the fact, then go ahead. But when cops tell you to do something, it's a good idea to do it.

Oh, and it's also a good idea to stay away from PCP.

 

[lpnv59]

There were traces of PCP and Cocaine in his system. That means he could've had taken those drugs a week ago. It does not mean he was high on those drugs at the time. People found him sleeping at a White Castle. Being high on coke and PCP really isn't gonna allow you to pass out. Coroner's report states that his heart was enlarged. The heart of any person, male of female, would be enlarged due to being that obese. This guy weighed in around 450. You can make yourself believe what you want. I believe he first attacked the cops out of fear of being beaten, not from being violently high. Offscreen, you can bet those clubs were making a bloody mess of him. Any investigation into the incident will be bullshit. The police will get away with this. They always do!

 

[Wilko]

...when cops tell you to do something, it's a good idea to do it...

Generally that makes good sense. The problem comes when cops tell people to do stuff they don't want to do. Cops DO NOT have the right to just force people to do what they want.

 

[Heritage 80]

Generally that makes good sense. The problem comes when cops tell people to do stuff they don't want to do. Cops DO NOT have the right to just force people to do what they want.

Maybe not, but they do have guns and big sticks, so I think it's usually a good bet to do what they want, and ask questions later.

 

[Rich R]

Offscreen, you can bet those clubs were making a bloody mess of him. Any investigation into the incident will be bullshit. The police will get away with this. They always do!

Word!

 

[Mathieu Rainville]

He did happily swing that metal nightstick a lot, long after the guy was down. :eek Then again, I'm not a cop and I've never been assailled by a monster this size, so I don't know how I'd react in such a situation.

 

[Johnnytone]

Just remember, a cop never knows what a criminal is thinking. Subdue first, question second.

 

[lpnv59]

Cops are suppose to be professionals. They have training in taking control of situations. That training should teach them when to stop kicking the shit out of someone. Maybe when his eyes rolled back and he was bleeding from the ears, they might have figured he was no longer a threat to them. He had no weapons. Me, I woulda stopped when the dude lost his pants!:hippy

 

[Wisertime]

No sense in debating about a situation that we aren't completely knowledgeable about.

 

[Mathieu Rainville]

No sense in debating about a situation that we aren't completely knowledgeable about.

Yeah, let's go back to discussing tenons. spin

 

[Johnnytone]

No sense in debating about a situation that we aren't completely knowledgeable about.

Since when has that stopped anything:lol2

 

[Bluburst135]

Since when has that stopped anything:lol2

EXACTLY !! Tenons will be around LONG after this story ends......

 

[Tim C.]

There were traces of PCP and Cocaine in his system. That means he could've had taken those drugs a week ago. It does not mean he was high on those drugs at the time. People found him sleeping at a White Castle. Being high on coke and PCP really isn't gonna allow you to pass out. Coroner's report states that his heart was enlarged. The heart of any person, male of female, would be enlarged due to being that obese. This guy weighed in around 450. You can make yourself believe what you want. I believe he first attacked the cops out of fear of being beaten, not from being violently high. Offscreen, you can bet those clubs were making a bloody mess of him. Any investigation into the incident will be bullshit. The police will get away with this. They always do!

I can't believe the bullshit you are spewing. You weren't there, you are not a professional cop. You did not see the entire video and the media is NEVER going to let you hear the verbal conversation that goes on while subduing the individual. They want to inflame the public because it makes good news.

And don't tell me the cops always get away with it . Remember Rodney King? Those cops went to jail and as yet the public has NEVER seen the complete video of the entire arrest of him and what precipitated the incident. They were tried in the court of public opinion before it ever went to trial just like some of you folks are trying to do here. Just like the media is trying to try every case in the court of public opinion as in Micheal Jackson, etc.

Fox news showed what they claim is the start of the video and it shows the man attacking the officers. Tell me, what would you do if you were 180 pounds and a man who weighed 400 pounds came running at you? You would do what was necessary to survive. The video showed the first officer running away trying to get distance between him and the attacker but he didn't stop.

A guy who attacks right off the bat is not thinking clearly and the cop has only seconds to react or possibly be killed. I would love to put some of you out there in uniform and see how you react. It is because of this type of bullshit spewing about cops always beating people that good cops get out of this line of work. It isn't worth it for some to try to protect others who could give a shit about you like you are indicating.

As for the bloody mess? Officers are trained to hit only below the waist area. One news source said there were only bruises to thighs and calf area. Again you weren't there. It is obvious that you have a disdain for the police.

End of rant.

:timc

 

[Mathieu Rainville]

Yeow. I used to consider you a very mellow poster, Tim. I have to agree with your post, though I understand lpnv59's point of view as well. I'm really not sure that the cop was justified into hitting the guy that many times after he was down. And he did die, which is terrible in itself.

Now seriously, who wants to see my tenon?

 

[Kossoff_Fan]

:wha

 

[Tim C.]

Personally, quilty or innocent, noone should be beaten by clubs, when we have stun-guns and other types of equipment to get control of a situation. I agree the police should be able to protect themselves.Emotions can't always be kept in check,even by trained people. Your opinions ,Please....

I don't know a single police officer who carries a stun gun anymore. They were never issued to most departments. If an officer had one they genearlly purchased it themselves. No one wants the liability of an electrical jolt to someone who may have a pacemaker, etc. They are not a viable tool. The only weapons most officers have are the hands/body, pepper spray, baton and handgun. Pepper spray rarely works especially on persons who are on narcotics.

Tim C.