today appears to be a good day to bring some vintage guitars back to the US

[F-Hole]

Therein lies the rub..we may have different political positions, but we remain countrymen bound by the same ideas of the sovereignty of our Parliamentary legislature.

And there you have it, two individuals from opposite sides of the political divide (although I have voted with you in the past), putting sovereignty and democracy ahead of personal political differences and narrow self-interest.

It is a noble cause.

 

[F-Hole]

And the Americans looking to import vintage Marshalls from the UK.

Ha, good luck with that.........

 

[abalonevintage]

I abhor right wing politics..period.

Most "right wingwers" abhor right wing politics....that's why Donald Trump even exists as a movement.

And there you have it, two individuals from opposite sides of the political divide (although I have voted with you in the past), putting sovereignty and democracy ahead of personal political differences and narrow self-interest.

It is a noble cause.

I don't really have a dog in the hunt, I'm just not a fan of globalism. The further the political decision making process is moved away from your location, the more you become irrelevant.

When it's moved out of your country? Yikes.

 

[hoss]

News coming out of the UK today hint towards "retracting" from Brexit.

Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244


Brexit May Well Never Happen: The victors are already looking sheepish about leaving the EU. Maybe they won’t!

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/brexit_might_never_happen.html

 

[ourmaninthenorth]

News coming out of the UK today hint towards "retracting" from Brexit.

Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244


Brexit May Well Never Happen: The victors are already looking sheepish about leaving the EU. Maybe they won’t!

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/brexit_might_never_happen.html

I'd be incredibly interested to see Ms Sturgeon's assertion tested in the High Court, which is where it will inevitably end up if there is a shred of credibility to her opportunistic claims.

My Missus has rather wittingly nicknamed the shambles that is developing as BONGO politics... ( BOris N GOve ). Just for the record these two, plus Farage and IDS...could never, if they talked from now until judgement day,ever say anything which I personally wish to be associated with. I've just counted my fingers by merely typing their names...just to make sure.

 

[F-Hole]

I'd be incredibly interested to see Ms Sturgeon's assertion tested in the High Court, which is where it will inevitably end up if there is a shred of credibility to her opportunistic claims.

My Missus has rather wittingly nicknamed the shambles that is developing as BONGO politics... ( BOris N GOve ). Just for the record these two, plus Farage and IDS...could never, if they talked from now until judgement day,ever say anything which I personally wish to be associated with. I've just counted my fingers by merely typing their names...just to make sure.

Perhaps you should revisit the cause of IDS's resignation from Cabinet with an open mind. It may change your view.

 

[F-Hole]

News coming out of the UK today hint towards "retracting" from Brexit.

Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244


Brexit May Well Never Happen: The victors are already looking sheepish about leaving the EU. Maybe they won’t!

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/brexit_might_never_happen.html

It's utter rubbish and won't happen.

Had Scotland been the determining factor in an "in" vote, the rest of the UK would have abided by the decision. Seemingly, that's not good enough for Scotland, which for half a century or more has been unable to pay for its own standard of living. It is subsidised financially and politically by England, and London in particular.

 

[Billy Porter]

What I personally fond amazing is the complete disconnect of politicians from the man in the street especially outside of London. The Labour Party is imploding as it says that their leader didn’t strongly pass the message that the Labour Party wanted to remain. They completely miss the fact that minds were already made-up and that we no longer doff our cap in reverence to politicians and will meekly follow what they tell us to do. The Labour Party and the BBC are constantly telling us that the pound has dropped off a cliff and the stock markets are in shambles…………………really? I think the facts and F-hole would argue otherwise.

And those who are signing a petition for a second referendum. Why? Wouldn’t it just be the same result and didn’t the ‘young-uns’ get another 24 hours to register to vote as they all waited to the last few hours. Democracy won – accept the fact

 

[ourmaninthenorth]

Perhaps you should revisit the cause of IDS's resignation from Cabinet with an open mind. It may change your view.

I dislike the man politically, but there's no doubting his political acumen and strategic timing - his resignation letter was a consummate example of both. I simply didn't believe, on the face of it, a word he was saying, but understood it's nuanced meaning and purpose. It's imperative with these slippery buggers to read the lines in between the lines, in between the lines....

The mistake Osborne et al made, in hindsight, was letting it be known that they considered IDS stupid, and incapable of implementing complex welfare reforms...this was done prior to resignation...allegedly. Hasn't gone that well for them really... nothing more potent than an IDS scorned...apparently...

 

[ourmaninthenorth]

It is subsidised financially by London in particular.

You've been talking to my Wife again..... hoisted by my own whatdyamycallit....:laugh2::laugh2:

 

[F-Hole]

What I personally fond amazing is the complete disconnect of politicians from the man in the street especially outside of Brussels.

Fixed, gratis.......:salude

 

[Beano Geno]

Actually, lowest level since 1985 is what I've been seeing.

Yes, you are correct. WSJ article was erroneous.

 

[Wally]

A few points of clarification:

1. the UK hasn't "pulled out of the Euro". The Euro is a currency, not a political union. Rather, the UK has voted to leave the European Union.

2. the UK leaving the EU will change the British political system because the UK will, after it leaves, no longer be required by treaty to implement EU legislation, created and drafted by unelected EU Commissioners, irrespective of whether this legislation is in the national interest.

3. Only British and Irish citizens (resident in the UK) were able to vote in the referendum, the latter being a right granted to the Irish under the 1922 agreement. Other EU citizens were not eligible to vote on a domestic UK matter.

4. Monarchy and democracy are, in fact, perfect bedfellows. You need to understand the concept of "constitutional monarchy". It's subtle and widely misunderstood, particularly outside the UK. In our case, the monarch (Queen) is granted a suite of constitutional rights (as opposed to absolute rights) that are, by convention, NEVER exercised. The Queen could, for example, sack a government, or recall parliament, or refuse to sign new legislation (royal assent) etc. As said, however, these rights have NEVER been exercised, and never shall be.......which is the thread that holds the entire fabric of our democracy together. This is why you will never find the monarch commenting on political matters, as the monarch is seen (and acts) above politics.

5. The national wealth of the monarch is vested in "The Crown" through an act of parliament. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate

1. My apologies for not using the whole term...I was meaning the European Union...not the currency.

2. I can understand that aspect of the question , and that is a valid concern.

3. thanks for that clarification...I figured that the English, the Irish and the Scots would have been voting in this referendum. Did the Scots not have a say in the matter?

4. So....your 'democracy' can be abolished by the 'divine right' of the monarchy, correct? This more than anything makes me forever thankful for the American Revolution of 1776 which gave the United States freedom from that elitist monarchy and freedom forever from monarchist tyranny. And....IF there is never any question of the monarchy exercising that 'divine right' to govern those who are lesser than they are, then why is there this worship for the monarchy. I have a sister in law here who, if one analyzes her philosophy, is at once anti-monarchy in that she takes pride in her ties to the Daughters of the American Revolution and also reveres the British royalty. Elitism of every sort is her operational scheme, it seems. LOL

5. Thanks for that link. I have never needed to understand much of this. That is the business of the British. I also read this....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_the_British_Royal_Family.
I have no problem there, either....it seems that the Queen voluntarily pays a sum equal to say your personal income tax....very fair minded of her.
My statement was pointed at the fact that the wealth of the royal...er Royal family was mode long ago. There is no need for any god to bless any monarch. Those monarchs---worldwide---- gained what it is for themselves and their descendants by effort...usually bloody effort and sometimes slavery. Fwiw, the same is true for any other system, right?
The estates, the land holdings, etc..... for instance, the current Queen inherited a huge amount when her mum passed in 2002. IN a non-monarchial society; there would be no special provisions, no special tax exemptions, etc....they would be citizens who would function and survive in the economy as part of teh whoel COMMUNITY...not above or below anyone else. But then....my sister in law would not have any reason to know more about British royal history than she does about American history! LOL....I will guarantee you that she can quote every era of the royal lineage from hundreds of years back to the present....who killed whom, who sired whom, who betrayed whom, how big the 'crown jewels' are.

I will say this. I do respect the fact that the male royals serve in the military. and....imho...the next succession to the crown should skip a generation! I also respect the royal's' dedication to the country, commonwealth....whatever it is accurately called. (;^)

.I will observe this. There is no governing system of human beings that really works as idealized...because...humans are the functionaries!!! LOL...

And....I hope the best for the changes that are to come. I heard a fellow today make a revealing statement about the 'populist' movements both here and in Great Britain. He was of the opinion that populist movements many times have no problem getting into office---good luck with B. Johnson. The rub comes with what has to be done after they gain that power. the problem.....they have to govern. My problem with these two populist movements has to do with the fact that the changes that brought such frustration to so many both here and there are based to a large extent on totally new and global situations....and partly to the dismantling of systems that grew those middle classes. New times....for sure. It is odd that the only place where a middle class is growing instead of dying is in the largest communist country in the world. (8^O That death of the middle class that arose in the wake of WWII is something that many people have not realized....and if we don't realize that change and why it occurred, we cannot effectively deal with the problem, imho....and most of us will live 'subservient lives' in the most real way...economically/financially.


That said.....hands across the water....heads across the sky....

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[sidekick]

Speak for yourself. Or at least, speak for your generation. Most people my age and below feel European. We're not as old and sceptical.

Its important when reading this to know there are two sides, the vote was close and younger people very much voted in favour of remain. So let's not generalise the whole country based on one side.

While there were two sides who had ample opportunity to consider and cast their vote. Of those who voted, Leave were in the majority and the result declared ... Your 'close', was not enough and Remain lost ... Deal with it and get behind the nation where you have your home and bread buttered ... Or does your generation start throwing the toys out of the pram like spoilt children? Seems many are and that is very sad ...

I find all this rebellion utterly sickening ... Because, had Remain won, while I might not have liked it, I come from a generation that would have accepted it as a legitimate vote of the people.

 

[Ed Driscoll]

Speak for yourself. Or at least, speak for your generation. Most people my age and below feel European. We're not as old and sceptical.

Its important when reading this to know there are two sides, the vote was close and younger people very much voted in favour of remain. So let's not generalise the whole country based on one side.

As my friend and colleague Richard Fernandez wrote:

Essentially people much older than you gave you what you now take for granted. They won World War 2, fueled the great boom, walked through the valley of the shadow of nuclear death — and had you.

You didn’t make the present, nor as you now complain, are you making the future. No children, no national defense, no love of God or country.

But that’s just it. You’ve brainwashed yourselves into thinking someone else: the old, the older, the government, the dead would always do things for you.

If you learn anything from Brexit, learn that nobody got anywhere expecting someone to do things for him.