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El Gringo

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Yes, right there between the neck binding meeting the guitar body top binding
So the checking /marks are on the binding ? I would be more concerned with marks on the wood , not trying to be disrespectful .
 

Victory Pete

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Yes, right there between the neck binding meeting the guitar body top binding
This may not be a typical checking crack. The lacquer may be thick there which is prone to cracking. It can be touched up by someone with experience.
 

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Can you get it to crack if you want? E.g. freezer.
I live in Northern Minnesota we have weeks of -30 on end , I have set my 07 R8 out side for days no cracks . My custom color fire birds are crack all over from humidity changes never leaving the house .
 

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Yeah thats basically my situation, this 2019 R9 is a case queen and sits under my bed in its case, and this happend, out of nowhere

The crack is between the two pieces of binding , as the binding on the neck and the binding on the guitars top sandwich together, and they moved.The laquer sprayed over the binding cracked in the middle
 

Keefoman

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I would say nitro finish wasn’t meant to crack, but still when applied to wood, it often does. Wood can lightly expand and contract. Especially when exposed to rapid changing temperature. It’s also natural that it starts cracking where wood and other materials meet. Simply because of ”movement” in the wood where other materials like hard plastic and metal don’t.
 

Gino753

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This may not be a typical checking crack. The lacquer may be thick there which is prone to cracking. It can be touched up by someone with experience.
Thank you for that answer...well it actually continues about 6” up the neck from the photo i showed, its a very very thinner than a hair line check crack right under the binding.Again you cant see it though to easily.

as far as this type of paint crack..ive seen a few all be it older les pauls with cracking in the same area..the photo of the les paul with the dark red back and the black circle highlighting where the paint cracked is my 2019 R9
 

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brandtkronholm

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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but i just ran across this exact topic myself with the experience of my own Historic resisues.
I have a 2018 Gibson Custom Shop R0, a 2016 Gibson Custom shop Historic SG Standard, and a 2019 Gibson Custom shop 60th Anniversary R9. The R0 and the R9 are case queens, no wear or anything.Both the R0 and the 60th Anniversary R9 are also Gloss models, no VOS.I dont know if it is to do with turning on the air conditioner a couple months ago, or what, but the 2019 R9 is the only guitar i have that started to check, just sitting in its case.I found a laquer crack near the cutout area, heading towards the headstock up the neck, where the binding in the neck meets and rests against the binding on the body or top of the guitar.
That's a perfectly normal (expected!) place for the lacquer to crack.
There is nothing structurally wrong with the guitar. (The fretboard won't pop off.)
Rest easy.
 

Gino753

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That's a perfectly normal (expected!) place for the lacquer to crack.
There is nothing structurally wrong with the guitar. (The fretboard won't pop off.)
Rest easy.
Thank you for that answer and for not telling me “Just play it!!” How does it sound ?? ..lol...i mean as someone who , is pretty educated on historic custom shop Gibsons, and even a little bit on real vintage Gibsons, i have to say that being a Gibson forum, the idea is to ask questions, so i appreciate everyones responses.

and that, this is the second Laquer painted guitar ive owned that has started to Check...the first guitar i had check is my 1997 Fender Jimi Hendrix woodstock stratocaster, checking basically on the front of the headstock and the back of the headstock, going down the back of the neck a little. I understand that though because the guitar is 23 years old roughly.

what scared me about this 2019 R9, is that it is the only one if my Custom shop Gibsons that did this.My 2018 Gibson Custom Shop R0, and 2016 Gibson Custom Shop SG Historic, did not do this at all...and the guitars all live the same life, so when i saw this, my heart sank, as to where the paint has Cracked.Then on top of it all, its a 2019 60th Anniversary R9, witch is supposed to be more of a collectors piece? I wont sell it, but should it be designed to have such sensative laquer, do to people maby buying it to re sell later?

maby a bit of OCD, but i dont know, it just scared me that as mentioned, my other older historics didnt do this.

The shop i bought it from’s owner told me that Gibson did change the laquer in 2019 and his 2019 60th Anniversary R9, did the same thing but?
 

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It’s hard to please everyone. Most Gibson lacquer has plasticiser in it so it remains flexible. I will post a photo later of an SG I stripped recently. Came off on rubbery sheets.

I paint my own nitro like victory Pete and it’s glassy, hard and can crack if forced. It chips as opposed to dents if you knock. I prefer my guitars to have a hard glassy nitro finish but not everyone does.

An aside, both my current Standards (99 R9, 02 Standard) have lacquer cracking. The finish is thin and hard but not quite as hard as I aim for.
 

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Thank you for that answer and for not telling me “Just play it!!” How does it sound ?? ..lol...i mean as someone who , is pretty educated on historic custom shop Gibsons, and even a little bit on real vintage Gibsons, i have to say that being a Gibson forum, the idea is to ask questions, so i appreciate everyones responses.

and that, this is the second Laquer painted guitar ive owned that has started to Check...the first guitar i had check is my 1997 Fender Jimi Hendrix woodstock stratocaster, checking basically on the front of the headstock and the back of the headstock, going down the back of the neck a little. I understand that though because the guitar is 23 years old roughly.

what scared me about this 2019 R9, is that it is the only one if my Custom shop Gibsons that did this.My 2018 Gibson Custom Shop R0, and 2016 Gibson Custom Shop SG Historic, did not do this at all...and the guitars all live the same life, so when i saw this, my heart sank, as to where the paint has Cracked.Then on top of it all, its a 2019 60th Anniversary R9, witch is supposed to be more of a collectors piece? I wont sell it, but should it be designed to have such sensative laquer, do to people maby buying it to re sell later?

maby a bit of OCD, but i dont know, it just scared me that as mentioned, my other older historics didnt do this.

The shop i bought it from’s owner told me that Gibson did change the laquer in 2019 and his 2019 60th Anniversary R9, did the same thing but?
I meant to answer this…I understand your view point, but many others want their finish to check as soon as possible. I had a 2019 R9 also and it did not have lacquer that was going to crack. I could tell it was softer and probably had the same level of plasticiser I was used to. Maybe yours, and others finished with the same gun had a different mix?
 

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Although many of us do not give two sticks if our new Historic's crack, finish appears to be element sensitive I for one desire this at 64 I don't have time to wait !!

Although Gibson is in this game to profit & profits should be EL Gordo >>>>> No affiliation to EL Gringo . The warranty headache of cracked finish other than aged HISTORIC would be self inflicted suicide Profits would be Menor>>>>>>> No affiliation to EL Gringo .

Now in English STOP ✋ CRYING about your finish & how Gibson should do this how Gibson should do that with the little time we have with these guitars spend more time playing & less time complaining !!!!!
 

Gino753

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Although many of us do not give two sticks if our new Historic's crack, finish appears to be element sensitive I for one desire this at 64 I don't have time to wait !!

Although Gibson is in this game to profit & profits should be EL Gordo >>>>> No affiliation to EL Gringo . The warranty headache of cracked finish other than aged HISTORIC would be self inflicted suicide Profits would be Menor>>>>>>> No affiliation to EL Gringo .

Now in English STOP ✋ CRYING about your finish & how Gibson should do this how Gibson should do that with the little time we have with these guitars spend more time playing & less time complaining !!!!!
Lol...theres the answer i was waiting for ..lol...to be honest, as someone who is into these Historics and know the nature of there finish.Its not that im upset or anything like that, it was more of me being a little scared as to the fact that my paint cracked at a seam where two pieces of binding are glued together, so my mind immediately went!!!! Is the fretboard ungluing? Is there structural damage? This is my first laquer checking on one of my Historics, and being the newest one that it happend too, i naturally got scared.My 2018 R0 and 2016 Custom shop SG didnt do this being in the same environment so ?? Again i got nervous.
 

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Lol...theres the answer i was waiting for ..lol...to be honest, as someone who is into these Historics and know the nature of there finish.Its not that im upset or anything like that, it was more of me being a little scared as to the fact that my paint cracked at a seam where two pieces of binding are glued together, so my mind immediately went!!!! Is the fretboard ungluing? Is there structural damage? This is my first laquer checking on one of my Historics, and being the newest one that it happend too, i naturally got scared.My 2018 R0 and 2016 Custom shop SG didnt do this being in the same environment so ?? Again i got nervous.
You don't have to explain that to sensible people.
 
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