Gibson logo without the dot?

[alainguitars]

Did a search but couldn't find an answer. What year/years did Gibson leave out the dot above the i?

Thanks

 

[mikeslub]

According to Duchossoir, during 1968 an engineering change led to the removal of the dot on the i. From 1972 the dot on the i reappeared on some instruments, but according to factory records it was not until late 1976 that it was officially reinstated with a slightly increased diameter.

All that said, during the late 1970's and through the 1980's there are models like my '79 Les Paul KM and several 80's Les Paul Reissues in my collection that do not have the dot above the i. It appeared to be hit or miss until the early 90's. :hank

 

[alainguitars]

Thanks very much for the answer.

 

[Bluespower]

I have an ES 335 with orange label, a 1965 serial number, nickel parts, chrome pickup covers, nylon saddles, thin nut, slim neck fom frets 1 to 4, a low keystone, and no dot over the i. I assume it is not a '65 but is a late 60's. This helps me as well.

So I guess it could be as early as a '68. But why does it have nickel parts, a 65 serial number and the old style knobs? I thought nickel was used up to 66. ?

 

[markguitar]

What does any of this have to do with Historic reissue LP's :hmm

 

[montesada]

Then why does my '71 SG Deluxe have a dot?

 

[Trans-Am]

...funny this thread came up for my 2K7 R9 VOS came up absent with a "DOT"
also?. Is there a specific model/year in the latter for the Historics that is not fully accurate in spec?.

Would it be fair to asked/say if its good nor bad for Gibson to include the dot. What say you Les Paul owners?. Is there a care in the world if you get a dot or not?:hmm

Peace!:hank

 

[montesada]

Shhhhhhh... Don't tell them it's the best place on Earth, TransAm.
Everyone will be here plugging up the roads even worse.

 

[Bluespower]

the dot-less logo Gibsons are a special double secret series of guitars manufactured by a sworn group of trained masters in the underground bunkers of the Denver airport. Made with secret rare and now extinct wood and using ancient guarded assembly procedures, they are the absolute most valuable Gibsons ever made. This fact is only known by a select group found only in the vintage forum.

or,

the Dot Guy was sick that day.

 

[Trans-Am]

Shhhhhhh... Don't tell them it's the best place on Earth, TransAm.
Everyone will be here plugging up the roads even worse.

...that's okay, once it's over? The tagline will be removed......just giving a little bit of exposure that's all. No harm done.eace2

Cheers!:salude

 

[Trans-Am]

the dot-less logo Gibsons are a special double secret series of guitars manufactured by a sworn group of trained masters in the underground bunkers of the Denver airport. Made with secret rare and now extinct wood and using ancient guarded assembly procedures, they are the absolute most valuable Gibsons ever made. This fact is only known by a select group found only in the vintage forum.

or,

the Dot Guy was sick that day.

I couldn't care less if the DOT guy's got the runs.......the fact that only certain models have it makes me wonder the story behind the whole historically correct issue. No big deal on my behalf.

Peace!:hank

 

[moonweasel]

According to Duchossoir, during 1968 an engineering change led to the removal of the dot on the i. From 1972 the dot on the i reappeared on some instruments, but according to factory records it was not until late 1976 that it was officially reinstated with a slightly increased diameter.

All that said, during the late 1970's and through the 1980's there are models like my '79 Les Paul KM and several 80's Les Paul Reissues in my collection that do not have the dot above the i. It appeared to be hit or miss until the early 90's. :hank

For what it's worth, for LSLPs, the dot went away in early 69. Not doubting you Mike, maybe the engineering change was made in 68 and didn't take effect until 69.

 

[Wally]

Gruhn and CArter's book....
1. "No dot on i, lower link between o and n: late 1968-late '70."
2. "Smaller, thinner logo, pre-sunk into fiber peghead veneer...
No dot on i, lower link between o and n...late 1970-'72.
3. "Dot reintroduced (some without dot through 1980) 1972-current.

Why a reissue would be without a dot on the i is amystery to me. ?Human error? From 1951 until 1968, the 'i' should be free from the 'G', the 'b' and the 'o' should be open, and there should be a lower link between the 'o' and the 'n'. My '99 R9 logo is done this way.

 

[Trans-Am]

Gruhn and CArter's book....
1. "No dot on i, lower link between o and n: late 1968-late '70."
2. "Smaller, thinner logo, pre-sunk into fiber peghead veneer...
No dot on i, lower link between o and n...late 1970-'72.
3. "Dot reintroduced (some without dot through 1980) 1972-current.

Why a reissue would be without a dot on the i is amystery to me. ?Human error? From 1951 until 1968, the 'i' should be free from the 'G', the 'b' and the 'o' should be open, and there should be a lower link between the 'o' and the 'n'. My '99 R9 logo is done this way.

....kinda makes sense to me knowing certain models did and did not.
I think we've just opened up a can of worms here.:hmm

Peace!:hank

 

[Wally]

I have an ES 335 with orange label, a 1965 serial number, nickel parts, chrome pickup covers, nylon saddles, thin nut, slim neck fom frets 1 to 4, a low keystone, and no dot over the i. I assume it is not a '65 but is a late 60's. This helps me as well.

So I guess it could be as early as a '68. But why does it have nickel parts, a 65 serial number and the old style knobs? I thought nickel was used up to 66. ?

There are many serial numbers that would place a Gibson in the year of 1965 IF one were to ignore specifications and the other years that certain serial numbers are repeated. For instance, 330200-332240 is listed for '65, '67 and '68.....and can also be 1974 or 1975. The orange label precludes those '70's dates. Bell knobs vesus the 'witchhats' usually indicates pre-'68 but there are exceptions. Also, unless one bought the guitar when new, the knobs may not be original. THere are some ranges of numbers in the 500,000's that can be '65, '66, '68' or '69....plus those '07's year. From '63 until the mid '70's one has to rely on specs to a great extent.
Confusing, isn't it? IF I had to guess without knowing your serial number, I would guess '68 or '69 with changed knobs.

 

[Bluespower]

You are probably correct, but why nickel parts and Chrome pickup covers as late as '68 or 69? It also has a lazy S in the logo.

the guitar has been in my possession since 1974. It really doesn't matter as long as it's a great guitar........ which it is.

Bigger question is...... where are the missing dots of the 60's Gibsons?:hmm :hmm

 

[mikeslub]

For what it's worth, for LSLPs, the dot went away in early 69. Not doubting you Mike, maybe the engineering change was made in 68 and didn't take effect until 69.

Like I said, I was just quoting the reference. It is hit and miss from my observation. :2cool

 

[Bluespower]

what are '66 serial numbers?

 

[MapleFlame]

I had a Prereissue that had no dot. 84-85. It also had the closed b and o. Most of the prereissues I have seen had no dot.

 

[gmann]

FWIW, I have a '68 ES345, and no dot.