Cliff Gress
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Fake or not the point is the kids were grooving to rock n roll. If you like the groove, you'll pick up the tools.
New generation of kids going crazy for guitar...
New generation of kids going crazy for guitar...
"Mahogany" is no longer a specific label for a specie of plant or wood. Its now used, unapologetically, as a color. Mahogany furniture ceased being anything related to the original species 30 years ago. Luan is Mahogany, Sapele is Mahogany, stained Poplar is Mahogany - the only reason manufactures are now honestly revealing "Sapele", is to justify higher pricing for "Mahogany", whatever "Mahogany" may be.
The color is a major factor for me. I get exited when I see that familiar Gibson brown from the 40's, 50's and even 60's. I get excited when I see that familiar Martin red-brown from anything pre-60's. I don't care these new "Mahoganys" that are yellow or pale tan, ocre, or whatever. It looks like what it is: NOT real Mahogany.
This is good news for Tom Murphy and good news for Gibson. I sure hope Gibson is able to seize this opportunity to "up the ante" with regard to building new guitars that rival the lauded vintage examples from 1952-1964. Note to Gibson...would you please return to sourcing and procuring your mahogany lumber from Central and South America (or at least in this hemisphere) If NASA can land and operate multiple autonomous rover vehicles on Mars, then establishing a reliable source for genuine Honduras Mahogany shouldn't be too difficult.
I get excited when I play a great sounding guitar and somewhat apoplectic when I hear unsubstantiated and erroneous bullcrap about wood color and tone ignorantly parroted on intent forums.
If you happen to play a great historic Les Paul you’d recognize that it is on every level a superlative instrument second to none, Pity, you haven’t played one.
And yes the term mahogany has been used a catch all for a variety of mahogany like woods but that is not the case here but I guess you have no problem adding to the wealth of misleading and erroneous information the clogs wonderful forums such as the LPF.
For the record, Swietenia macrophylla also know as Honduran Mahogany is the species of mahogany grown in a Fiji. During World War II, for strategic reasons, Swietenia macrophylla was planted in Fiji because among other considerations, the climate there was conducive to its growth. Fiji became a great source of mature Swietenia macrophylla trees so it would make sense for Gibson to buy their premium mahogany from Fiji.
But let’s cut to the chase shall we. there’s the saying money talks, BS walks. I’ll happily make a $10,000+ wager with you or anyone who insists they can hear where a piece of mahogany is grown and/or it’s color. 10 guitars: 5 with Swietenia macrophylla from Fiji and 5 with Swietenia macrophylla form Honduras. If you can tell which is which with your ears I pay you, if you can’t you pay me. Any takers?
I couldn't agree more, and I'm surprised it's not a topic people talk about much. I appreciate that the mahogany they've been using is light, which is keeping almost all of the R7s, R8s, and R9s under 9 pounds, but they're not TRULY recreating a 1958-60 burst unless they're using Honduran Mahogany. Which, obviously will have a much different sound and feel than what they're currently using. I'm really hoping for the day they make an R9 with the 60th Anniversary specs, but using Honduran Mahogany and hopefully they'll do a small run with Brazilian boards. It will probably cost an outrageous sum of money, but that will be a TRUE historic reissue, IMO.
The only hot air around here is you! And who the hell appointed you the "Grand Puobah" of all things mahogany? Your self-aggrandizing posts reveal volumes about your unchecked ego. Get off your high horse and open your eyes!
And who ever decreed that a manufacturer selects guitar tone-wood purely for the sound it produces? That's preposterous! Give me a break!
The photos below illustrates the ghastly yellow color, and cross-grain router chaff marks, which are characteristic of your hallowed lightweight yellow Fiji variety (non-genuine mahogany). This control cavity shot is from a 2018 Wildwood Spec, Tom Murphy painted R8 (w/ RS electronics kit). Don't ya' just love the tooling marks, and router chaff in the control cavity route of this 2018 Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul? And that yellow piss color is sensational too! :wow
There are many other significant factors that enter into a manufactures choice of lumber, such as: (a) ability to take various finish formulations and sealers; (b) ease of milling, carving, and routing the lumber; (c) wear and tear on shop CNC machines, bits, saw blades, etc. (d) adverse skin, eyes, and respiratory effects of saw dust exposure; (e) attractive figure and grain patterns; (f) COLOR; (g) density; (g) cost; (h) CITEs regulations and sustainability; (i). customer acceptance and beauty.
I have never seen a single Gibson Les Paul Standard from any decade, constructed of genuine Honduran mahogany, look as bad is the Fiji example in the photos above. :rofl:rofl:rofl.
Enjoy your Fiji wood. You told me already that it sounds great! And all your luthier experts say the same thing. Right. Give me a break! :bigal
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Thank you, brother!!!!!
It gets tiresome, reading dumbass pontificating posts from ignorant knuckleheads who can't tell a finish color from wood species. Everything you said is spot on.
Yes, It’s mind numbing. Don’t get me wrong, if Swietenia macrophylla harvested from a plantation in Honduras vs Fiji makes someone feel more secure and happy with their guitar then they should go for it. A salute.
What i find exasperating is what do these people feel is missing from their current Historic. It defies logic. I mean seriously how the fvck is plantation wood from Honduras going to make a difference. does the ghost of Eric Clapton haunt the Swietenia macrophylla trees there. Even when I played a couple of my Historics next to a conversion and a boutique Les Paul both of which were allegedly made from old growth wood, there Wasn’t a qualitative difference. I had cash in hand and would’ve bought it if there was.
As I’ve said people are free to do whatever they want, feel free to chase the wild goose. But if you’ve played a sufficient number of historics and don’t like the tone, you either don’t have it set up right, don’t have a good complimentary amp and speaker combo or you just plain suck and even Duane Allman’s gear ain’t going to help.
I get excited when I play a great sounding guitar and somewhat apoplectic when I hear unsubstantiated and erroneous bullcrap about wood color and tone ignorantly parroted on intent forums.
If you happen to play a great historic Les Paul you’d recognize that it is on every level a superlative instrument second to none, Pity, you haven’t played one.
And yes the term mahogany has been used a catch all for a variety of mahogany like woods but that is not the case here but I guess you have no problem adding to the wealth of misleading and erroneous information the clogs wonderful forums such as the LPF.
For the record, Swietenia macrophylla also know as Honduran Mahogany is the species of mahogany grown in a Fiji. During World War II, for strategic reasons, Swietenia macrophylla was planted in Fiji because among other considerations, the climate there was conducive to its growth. Fiji became a great source of mature Swietenia macrophylla trees so it would make sense for Gibson to buy their premium mahogany from Fiji.
But let’s cut to the chase shall we. there’s the saying money talks, BS walks. I’ll happily make a $10,000+ wager with you or anyone who insists they can hear where a piece of mahogany is grown and/or it’s color. 10 guitars: 5 with Swietenia macrophylla from Fiji and 5 with Swietenia macrophylla form Honduras. If you can tell which is which with your ears I pay you, if you can’t you pay me. Any takers?
Thank you!
I can't believe all these doofs who think it's WHERE the log came from.
When we know it's WHAT TIME OF DAY THE TREE WAS FELLED!