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CTS pots - WARNING!!!

robb

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If you're thinking of replacing your stock cheesy Gibson pots with CTS 500K jobbies from Allparts (as I have just done) you're in for a tone treat but you do NEED TO KNOW that the inner (split) shaft (not the brass outer, threaded shaft) is anything from 1/8th to 3/8ths of an inch longer than the stock Gibson pots as installed from about 1998 onwards.
It doesn't sound like a lot until you get them installed but then you start to wonder why your four control knobs look almost as if they are hovering above the guitar rather than part of it.
At first I thought it was no problem, I just had to unsolder everything again and go back and put a spacer nut between the plate holding the pots and the inside of the guitar's top. WRONG!
That pulls the shaft down, sure, but it also brings the threaded outer shaft down to a point where you can't get a nut on on top, let alone the washer that's supposed to go underneath it.
SOLUTION#1: Make sure you push the knobs on firmly. They're a (very) tight fit on the CTS shaft but that little bit of extra pressure will lower the knobs somewhat - just take it easy as you go and maybe a nasmuth of liquid soap with which to ease them on (about enough to cover the end of a gnat's, em, erm, antenna!!)
SOLUTION#2: Put some knob position indicators on as they used to do on older Pauls but haven't done for some time - we're talking stock standard LPs here, not 57 or 59 ReIssues some of which may well have the indicators.
Using an extra washer on the tallest shaft (they differ, obviously, at different points on the guitar top) and knob indicators on all four at least gives the impression of the knobs' being connected to the guitar.
Sorry to sound like an advert for Allparts - no, I don't have shares - but I know they do these indicators in both nickel and gold-plate and I'm pretty sure most other serious suppliers would have 'em too.
While we're demonstrationg outside the Gibson factory for them to get better pots in their LPs, perhaps we could demonstrate against the same corporate bean-counters who have made the decision to drop these indicators. I think they look cool and they certainly are an aid to playing insofar as you can see at a glance how much more pedal there is to go to the metal.
P.S. (I don't know whether this warning applies to other brands of potentiometer as mentioned on this site but it's certainly true of the CTS ones Allparts are supplying at the moment, oh, and just for the record, CTS 250K replacement pots for Strats and Teles DO NOT have this problem. Logic tells me there must be a reason for these discrepancies. Experience of guitar and parts manufacturers over the years tells me it's best, sometimes, to eschew logic.)
Rock on brothers and sisters. This one's for you, George H.
 

Neal

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Sep 21, 2001
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Hey robb,
I discovered the same thing when I replaced the longshaft pots in
my Classic. The new pots had aluminum shafts so I took all 4 pots apart and put the original brass shafts from the old pots into the new pots. You can do the conversion with teh short shaft pots also.
 

Sean

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Now that's an idea so obvious and simple it's genius.
 

Plankspanker

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The last couple of orders for CTS pots from Allparts are like you described. I found there is a small metal tab that is on the Top of the body of the pot, on the side where the split shaft extrudes.
You can snap it off and get some extra wiggle room.
 

BrianGWN

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robb, yes I see what you are saying about how the CTS made for AllParts regular shaft length pots have just a little extra at the end of the aluminum knurled split shaft, above the knurling. It only looks to be about 1/16 of inch extra with the pots I checked. If this extra was a concern I suppose you could get rid of it if you had access to something like a powered bench grinder, just grind off the excess, grind off the end of the shaft down to the knurling.
 

BrianGWN

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Neal, never mind recycling just the shafts, I was thinking it going farther than that, use everything but the original resistive element. ;)
I was thinking it would be great if AllParts could get CTS to sell spares of just the resistive element, so we could disassemble a 300K or even older 100K CTS made for Gibson pot, and just replace the resistive element with a 500K audio.
 

lp1987x

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I'm one of the misinformed who actually purchased Gibson pots to replace some bad pots in my Studio Lite. Now they make more noise and cut out more than the pots I took out of the guitar. After reading your posts, I've decided to upgrade to the CTS pots as well. However, in going to the Allparts website, it looks like I'd want 4 EP 0686-000 pots. Is this correct?
 

lp1987x

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Thanks. The Hoffman site worked great. Same price as All parts ($7/pot) but the site was much easier to navigate.
 
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