Batwing sg custom

[Consignmart]

Not my first rodeo and 2nd in hand opinion from another lifelong vintage dealer. Really nothing gained aging the solder considering its value at the time IF refinished not to mention the collection of dust and dirt beneath the pickguard. Agree to disagree. Cheers

 

[S. Weiger]

Not my first rodeo and 2nd in hand opinion from another lifelong vintage dealer. Really nothing gained aging the solder considering its value at the time IF refinished not to mention the collection of dust and dirt beneath the pickguard. Agree to disagree. Cheers

Good luck.

 

[Consignmart]

Did they come with stop tails in ‘70?
If not, filled holes and refin?

 

[Consignmart]

Checking under the finish? No feel of the checking when touching lightly with a nail?
And paint residue under pickguard / in screw holes?

If affirmative, I'd say refin.


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[Consignmart]

Low resolution photo and lighting gives the illusion of no feel checking beneath the paint. (See attached clear closeup photo) You feel the checking. The paint pulling in small spots when the pickguard was removed can be caused by various reasons including age and exposure to fluctuating temperatures over 50 years.

 

[S. Weiger]

Low resolution photo and lighting gives the illusion of no feel checking beneath the paint. (See attached clear closeup photo) You feel the checking. The paint pulling in small spots when the pickguard was removed can be caused by various reasons including age and exposure to fluctuating temperatures over 50 years.

Pulling is the keyword here. Usually, if it is original old paint, it's hard and flakes off in tiny bits.

But, you feel the checking, good for you.
Congrats with your 100% original custom ordered stop tail Polaris white SG Custom at less than 40% market price?

 

[garywright]

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[Consignmart]

Pulling is the keyword here. Usually, if it is original old paint, it's hard and flakes off in tiny bits.

But, you feel the checking, good for you.
Congrats with your 100% original custom ordered stop tail Polaris white SG Custom at less than 40% market price?

 

[Consignmart]

Current guitar values have depreciated for many reasons depending on model and year. In this particular instance. When there are no comparable’s. Most will jump to conclusion it must be a modded refin which affects getting a premium price. If It was a refinish, It would have been sometime in the early 70s when resale value was low so taking special attention cleaning the pots where there’s no visible residue from the original solder wouldn’t have been a consideration. The other dynamic to consider is white finish 1960s gibsons didn’t yellow as mid 70s and later Gibson models. Thats another topic. Thanks for your opinion.

 

[Consignmart]

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[Consignmart]

oh we definitely disagree…there are just too many issues here. I would have snatched this up right away for cheap when it first popped up six months ago but it sat and Charlie finally found someone to take his bait ..btw, to be able to feel weatherchecking proves absolutely nothing as far as originality only that it doesn’t have newer clear coats shot on top…you’re happy...Charlie’s Guitars must be ecstatic …as to your lifelong vintage dealer pro validation, I’d pass on him in the future …fwiw, I’ve been at this vintage thing for 50 years and picked up a couple things over the years ..have fun with it as it seems you got it cheap considering the vintage hardware/pups alone..lastly the case interior looks waterlogged or at least very badly mildewed . ..over and out, Cheers

 

[S. Weiger]

oh we definitely disagree…there are just too many issues here. I would have snatched this up right away for cheap when it first popped up six months ago but it sat and Charlie finally found someone to take his bait ..btw, to be able to feel weatherchecking proves absolutely nothing as far as originality only that it doesn’t have newer clear coats shot on top…you’re happy...Charlie’s Guitars must be ecstatic …as to your lifelong vintage dealer pro validation, I’d pass on him in the future …fwiw, I’ve been at this vintage thing for 50 years and picked up a couple things over the years ..have fun with it as it seems you got it cheap considering the vintage hardware/pups alone..lastly the case interior looks waterlogged or at least very badly mildewed . ..over and out, Cheers

But if you can't even feel checking in the first place, then Houston we have a problem... And next, how do one verify original Gibson custom paint job at all? Can it be done from pics?

 

[Consignmart]

Im aware the guitar was posted for 6 months. There was no bait taken. Being unsold for 6 months was due to price and no comparables so most jumped to conclusion it must be a modded refin. Even for argument sake it was refinished say in the 80s judging by age related accumulation beneath the pickguard. The guitars value back then wouldn't be a consideration someone taking special care cleaning the pots where there’s no visible residue from the original solder. The other dynamic is lack of yellowing due to thinner lacquer applied which was common on white finishes of 1960s gibsons and heavier lacquer in the mid 70s and later Gibson models that was the root cause of yellowing. The case has no mold or signs of water. Has replaced hinges and interior loss of the form fitted body surround coming unglued. Theres visible wear from the stop tail piece in the case. Although the case is date appropriate. It’s possible it’s not the original case. It's quite apparent the guitar was played and used but not abused.

 

[garywright]

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[rifle]

If it is a repaint wouldnt it be original paint left under the new white in the pickup cavity, and if no original paint left underneath shouldnt it been sanded away and there for should not have any marks after the routing? The pickuproute should look a little bit cleaner then?

 

[Consignmart]

If it is a repaint wouldnt it be original paint left under the new white in the pickup cavity, and if no original paint left underneath shouldnt it been sanded away and there for should not have any marks after the routing? The pickuproute should look a little bit cleaner then?

 

[Consignmart]

Some past opinions in the thread although can’t be deleted can be updated hence they have been removed. Most opinions are speculative. Someone suggested the paint removed in the pickup cavity could have been to resolve a ground issue. The appearance of original solder on the pots and wires not cut suggests it’s not a refin. If it was an old refinish from the 1980s when the guitar value was much less, there wouldn’t have been special attention to detail cleaning off the old solder and aging the new solder unless it had significant value.