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Original burst taken apart and meticulously photographed...Burst 101...required read!

abalonevintage

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Since, in my opinion, one of the main purposes of this forum is education, please tell us what is factually wrong with his observations. I think we're all here to learn. I know I am.:jim

Why debate over someones content who called me a fraud, called Joe Bonnamassa a douche, and called this forum, "liars."

(Edit: Lashing guitars is now changing his wording on his website...he removed the comment about Joe Bonamassa having "Down Syndrome.")
 

El Gringo

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CD, Thank you very much as this lesson was very informative for me .
 

JJ Blair

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Lashing Guitars is a joke. There are several serious mistakes in that article....factually wrong.

Like his nonsense about how the cherry back is done, while posting contrary evidence in his cavity pics. This guy does not have a firm grasp of the obvious.

Yet he throws stones in a glass house. Ass clown.
 

abalonevintage

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Like his nonsense about how the cherry back is done, while posting contrary evidence in his cavity pics. This guy does not have a firm grasp of the obvious.

Yet he throws stones in a glass house. Ass clown.


I thought about pointing out all of the things wrong about his Burst diatribe...but...I figure it's better to let him leave those errant facts in so that people who KNOW this stuff will realize he does not.

(Lashing Guitars is editing his pages every time we comment.)
 

ourmaninthenorth

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I'd be happy if the guy'd stop editing his website diatribe, it's hard to keep up.

EDIT. Eric, are you reading my bloody mind....:rofl
 

JBLPplayer

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I have never heard of this guy's shop. I suspect his website traffic has gone up in the recent days. Notoriety 101: The bigger the name the bigger the backlash and louder are the voices of dissent. I am not going to get into how factually wrong what he wrote about myself and Eric is…. It simply is not worth getting into it nor lending it any form of creditability. Like it or not the place is a big target for folks in the vintage guitar community who either feel slighted, pushed out, picked on, or try to read in-between the lines forming conspiracy theories, thus winding themselves up to the point of essay length diatribe about people they have never met in person. Everyone I have met from this and the My Les Paul Forum have been super cool and fun to hang with. It is easy to throw stones online when you don't know or think you know something, its another thing to say it to a persons face.
I will say that his website is well done layout wise. Content leaves a little to be desired for some but he spent some money on it. :salude
Joe B
 

JJ Blair

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(Lashing Guitars is editing his pages every time we comment.)

Game on!

This guy is obviously butthurt that this forum cockblocked a sale on 0 7012 (correctly so), and thinks he is privy to info that nobody else can have, because he talked to a guy who sanded neck shapes at Kalamazoo.

I say the mods make him a member just so he can come in here and attempt to defend himself.
 

JJ Blair

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I am not going to get into how factually wrong what he wrote about myself and Eric is….

I had written a 5 paragraph e-mail to him about it, and asking him how he hopes to gain business by trashing others, and then decided that no matter what evidence I point out to the contrary, the butt hurt is obviously so strong with this dude that I will probably just meet intransigence anyway, and hit delete.
 

buyusfear

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Like his nonsense about how the cherry back is done, while posting contrary evidence in his cavity pics. This guy does not have a firm grasp of the obvious.

Yet he throws stones in a glass house. Ass clown.

I pointed this out on the gear page thread.
He didn't seem to agree.
I go on what I can deduce through reverse engineering what I see, like the cavity shot; Not heresay. And the fact that I've tried to do thisnfonish myself different ways.
 

CDaughtry

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This morning when I awoke, I had several messages from Forum members informing me that the guy who runs this website had some pretty nasty things to say about this forum (and the MLP) in general, and several of our members, including me (see the reference to owners/mods) in particular.
Would I have posted this thread had I known that in advance?
Absolutely...for at least a couple of different reasons.
First of all, despite this guy's vitriol, I thought it was clever and informative how he laid out the information with quality pictures every step of the way (even if he did take them from a Japanese magazine). Whenever I make a decision for this Forum, my primary question always is, "Will it advance the knowledge of vintage and/or Historic Les Pauls? In this case, the answer to that question is a resounding "yes." Does he make some mistakes? To be honest, I haven't read it all that closely yet, but Eric says he does and I value his opinion. I wish however, instead of generally saying that he's made some obvious errors, we, as a group, would point them out and rationally discuss them so that we can advance everyone's knowledge of Les Pauls. Is that our mission, or am I alone in that thought?
Secondly, when we run and/or participate in Forums like this one, and express strong opinions on very valuable guitars, we're going to get pushback, especially from people behind a keyboard. That's just a fact of life. We can't exclude valuable information from here just because someone has some disparaging things to say about us. Hell...if I really wanted my feelings hurt, I'd just type my name in the MLP's search engine.:hee

At the end of the day, this thread could be EXTREMELY informative for a person with a sincere desire to learn more about vintage Les Pauls. I would hope that some of our more knowledgable members would respectfully point out the errors he has made so that we can all learn from them. We can't control someone else's opinion of us. However, we can try to disseminate the most accurate knowledge about vintage Les Pauls. With all our faults, I think we do that, collectively as a group, better than anyone else out there.:jim
 

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Too much name-dropping and butt hurt for me to keep up. :dang

I took the vintage Les Paul photos shown at the link on face-value. Maybe not so much with the guitar's historical facts and general descriptions. Was there some monkey business with the actual photos? Or is it simply an issue of someone needing a dose of Preparation H?
 

CDaughtry

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Too much name-dropping and butt hurt for me to keep up. :dang

I took the vintage Les Paul photos shown at the link on face-value. Maybe not so much with the guitar's historical facts and general descriptions. Was there some monkey business with the actual photos? Or is it simply an issue of someone needing a dose of Preparation H?



Here is where he goes off on everyone:

http://www.lashingguitars.com/art_lpforums.html
 

abalonevintage

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First of all, despite this guy's vitriol, I thought it was clever and informative how he laid out the information with quality pictures every step of the way (even if he did take them from a Japanese magazine). Whenever I make a decision for this Forum, my primary question always is, "Will it advance the knowledge of vintage and/or Historic Les Pauls?


I don't think that Lashing Guitars website does nearly as good a job of trying to get to the finer details of Bursts than the book, "Beauty of the Burst.".
 
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T.Allen

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Everybody has opinions. I will listen to anybody with a differing opinion than mine, IF it's done respectfully. Mentioning forums is one thing; attacking individuals by name is another. I enjoyed browsing his website, but would much prefer if he redacted the names. What he wrote about Joe and Eric is simply bullshit and serves no purpose in validating his cause. Fake news!
 

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I pointed this out on the gear page thread.
He didn't seem to agree.
I go on what I can deduce through reverse engineering what I see, like the cavity shot; Not heresay. And the fact that I've tried to do thisnfonish myself different ways.

I would go to the gear page, but life is too short.

For Lashing dude and anybody else interested, here is the consensus of the guys who do the best historically correct finishes, and what my experiments trying a few different methods seem to confirm: The cherry dye is mixed into the pore filler, and when spread over the mahogany, it dyes the mahogany.

How do we know this? First, look at in the control cavity. If the cherry were sprayed, we would see cherry lacquer on the bottom and around the walls of the cavity. But we don't. We only see clear lacquer. What else do we see you? We see a build up of cherry colored pore filler on the inside edge cavity wall.

How else can we tell this is how it was done? The neck. Ever notice how the neck always seems lighter or more faded in the center? This is what happens when you apply the cherry in the above stated manner. If you spray it? You don't get a lighter center of the neck. It's a function of the way the pores are exposed with the neck radius. It does not accept the dye as readily.

The last tell is the binding. The lashing guy got the binding bleed all wrong. If they sprayed cherry dye, as he says, after they scrape, the cherry would not bleed in that way. It's not that the binding soaks in the cherry die, it's that the retarder in the lacquer lets the dye from the pore filler run over the line where the filler was scraped, and you get the pinking. If you spray lacquer without retarder, it will dry fast enough at this usually does not happen.

How do I know all this shit? Because I have had to do it first hand. I have had to ask people who've been doing this for years, even though they did not work at the Gibson factory, either learned it from other people or figured it out themselves. I have had to do plenty of trial and error myself to replicate the same results when I have sprayed a burst. I have figured out whose opinion was right and whose opinion was wrong by trying various methods. And I have used my own Burst, as well as examined the bursts of friends to see how closely I matched the finish. And above method was the one that nailed it, as well as does it explain what we find in the cavity.
 

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Thanks for the link. :dude: I'm glad that there are plenty of Golden Era Gibsons that no one wants to counterfeit! :)
 
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