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1960 Gibson Korina Explorer 011172 " Kandye Kane " Guitars West Owned on ebay

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Re: 1960 Gibson Korina Explorer " Kandye Kane " Guitars West Owned on ebay

See it? Heck, I quoted it! :ganz

You did, but only a bit of it...:laugh2:

Direct question: what are the marks on the pickguard edge caused by, or supposed to be caused by? Router marks, the plastic naturally splitting? Has anyone seen these marks on similar vintage explorers? And other than sheer coincidence, why do a significant number of these marks, not all, correspond with cracks in the finish?

Just a question, no agenda.
 

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Hi Eric,
Hope you are well and Rockin! I hope I am putting this stuff in the correct places, I don't go on forums usually. The guard is correct, I have compared it to others, in person, the underside is just the same, none of them were what one would class as amazingly made but this was a model that was not selling and any chance of getting Explorers and Flying V's out of the door was taken. Ted McCarty, I understand had a rack of them still in the white wood outside of his office for several years, so slight variations are bound to occur.
I think with all vintage guitars we have to keep a very open mind to factory practices and not believe the myth and legend too much that everything was crafted wonderfully, it wasn't!
I was actually told by a Gibson employee of many years, that the main concern was to get the product out of the door and the money in.
Regards,
Clive

Oh, I totally agree that Gibson was all about getting-it-out-the-door, but that guard has all of the hallmarks of being made by hand....
 

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It would be awesome if we could all discuss the guitar...

Ok. You win... I'll call you. You want to talk about fakes. Your '57 White Double Neck Octave Guitar... Where it came from, who owned it but most of all Mr. Spurs what has been done to it Mr.Pro! Also, your fave Guitars? Charvel.... I bet you'll shut your yapper up now Mr. Charvel. You know what I'm taking about... Shit, if that gets out of your dirt bag, shit is gonna fly! BH 619/988/9777. Now this whole forum is going to wait for your call. Now be nice!!! BH

1. I have never owned a '57 white double neck.

2. Charvel guitars are not my favs and you are once again trying a bait-and-switch, by making the discussion about me and not the instrument.
 

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Re: 1960 Gibson Korina Explorer " Kandye Kane " Guitars West Owned on ebay

My question, as a know nothing interloper, would be who is dumb enough to do razor checking on a guitar they are faking and put cuts in the pickguard? I'm pretty sure even I could manage it without being that kind of sloppy. It just doesn't seem to line up with logic. And wouldn't you be doing that with the guard off anyway?

I will now return to making my dog lunch and playing my swingin' new Nachocaster. Thank you for your time.

Wow dude😂😎😎🗣🗣 That was great! You are now officially in The Mad Hatters Posse! Funny 'chit man!
 

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Re: 1960 Gibson Korina Explorer " Kandye Kane " Guitars West Owned on ebay

You know people I know Charlie, ask them if I lie about guitars, I don't! If you don't like me or what I say about the guitar, that's fine too.
I thought that you guys on this forum were supposed to like guitars and finding out about them and the different things that went on in factories with different models, I do!
This just seems like a witch hunt to me!

Clive


Clive...I don't know you; how can I "not like" you? From all our mutual friends who know you, they tell me you're a very affable guy. From the time or two I've talked with you briefly, you do seem like a nice guy.
I don't see the witch hunt here. I was merely asking a question. They seem to line up to me, and I can't for the life of me figure out a good explanation for that. I am certainly willing to be educated though. I think the vast majority of the people participating in this thread would like to learn more.
You must admit the history of this guitar, and it's current price tag, seems to warrant a thorough vetting...wouldn't you agree? While Gary says it's "just a guitar," it's a mighty expensive one!:bug
 

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1. I have never owned a '57 white double neck.

So the guitars on your site you don't own? Secondly, you are a seller of Charvels? Rare Charvels? Way over priced Charvels????

There are over 3000 photos on my site...I have only owned 10 of the 50ish original EMS guitars. To my knowledge there is only one 1957 EMS guitar and it has not been seen since 1957.

Joe Bonamassa bought the last vintage Charvel I owned and our pal Mike Hickey has it now. It has been years between that guitar and any other vintage Charvels I have ever owned.
 

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Re: 1960 Gibson Korina Explorer " Kandye Kane " Guitars West Owned on ebay

I've stared at that photo enough to see several places where they do not line up.
What would be the explanation for that?


What would the explanation be for why so many of them do? I'm not being flippant, I'd really like to know. The odds of so many of them lining up seem astronomical. The photo is taken at an angle. If it was shot straight on, many of them would line up perfectly.
 

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Clive...I don't know you; how can I "not like" you? From all our mutual friends who know you, they tell me you're a very affable guy. From the time or two I've talked with you briefly, you do seem like a nice guy.
I don't see the witch hunt here. I was merely asking a question. They seem to line up to me, and I can't for the life of me figure out a good explanation for that. I am certainly willing to be educated though. I think the vast majority of the people participating in this thread would like to learn more.
You must admit the history of this guitar, and it's current price tag, seems to warrant a thorough vetting...wouldn't you agree? While Gary says it's "just a guitar," it's a mighty expensive one!:bug

Hi Charlie,
I didn't mean that you personally were on a witch hunt, just that a good part of the discussion by various people seemed to be about running the guitar down, I agree with Gary it is just a guitar but a fine one!
I also agree with you that it is a high price (which I'm sure would be negotiable) But I understand that there is one being offered for $1,000000, maybe I'll buy 'em both or will you beat me to it?
I did say in an earlier post that the marks on the guard are chatter marks from the router blade that puts the chamfer on the guards, I know what Eric means when he says the guard looks as if it could be hand made,
I think you will find a lot of the guards were finished by hand and again because both Explorers and V's were guitars that weren't selling finishing wasn't all that it could have been, one of the guards this one was compared to had a much bigger chamfer than the other two but it was a real guard, different but real!
On the research I have done, I have found out that because of the time difference that the guitars were shipped, '58 to mid '60s some were partially made by one person(crew) and completed some years later by someone else, including woodwork, finishing and assembly. They were of course made in relatively small numbers for a factory so some hand finishing was obviously used.
Hope this is of help,
Best Regards,
Clive
 

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Hi Charlie,
I didn't mean that you personally were on a witch hunt, just that a good part of the discussion by various people seemed to be about running the guitar down, I agree with Gary it is just a guitar but a fine one!
I also agree with you that it is a high price (which I'm sure would be negotiable) But I understand that there is one being offered for $1,000000, maybe I'll buy 'em both or will you beat me to it?
I did say in an earlier post that the marks on the guard are chatter marks from the router blade that puts the chamfer on the guards, I know what Eric means when he says the guard looks as if it could be hand made,
I think you will find a lot of the guards were finished by hand and again because both Explorers and V's were guitars that weren't selling finishing wasn't all that it could have been, one of the guards this one was compared to had a much bigger chamfer than the other two but it was a real guard, different but real!
On the research I have done, I have found out that because of the time difference that the guitars were shipped, '58 to mid '60s some were partially made by one person(crew) and completed some years later by someone else, including woodwork, finishing and assembly. They were of course made in relatively small numbers for a factory so some hand finishing was obviously used.
Hope this is of help,
Best Regards,
Clive

While I disagree with much of this as it relates to THIS particular guitar...it is a textbook post on civility and staying "on point."

Thanks, Clive. :salude
 

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Hi Tom,
Yes I'll be at Arlington, hope your ok and doing well!
See You there,
Best Regards,
Clive

Packed and ready for the flight home over the Atlantic. Wish me luck, and see you in October. :salude
 

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1990s? :hee
I watched as guitars were having the relic treatment in the early 70s.

That was a different time, ....

1970s and 1990s were definitely different times.

So, how about your comment on the thickness of razor blades? :spabout
 
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You did, but only a bit of it...:laugh2:

Direct question: what are the marks on the pickguard edge caused by, or supposed to be caused by? Router marks, the plastic naturally splitting? Has anyone seen these marks on similar vintage explorers? And other than sheer coincidence, why do a significant number of these marks, not all, correspond with cracks in the finish?

Just a question, no agenda.

I haven't the foggiest idea.
Don't forget Richard's idea about it being the builder's "tell".

I would love to see it in person. And, think how fun it could be if every one of us were in a room with it [and a few, but not too many tasty beverages]. :salude
 

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Oh, I totally agree that Gibson was all about getting-it-out-the-door, but that guard has all of the hallmarks of being made by hand....

Do you think back in 1960 they would be machine making Explorer pickguards for 'left over' bodies? :hmm
 

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Clive...I don't know you; how can I "not like" you? From all our mutual friends who know you, they tell me you're a very affable guy. From the time or two I've talked with you briefly, you do seem like a nice guy.
I don't see the witch hunt here. I was merely asking a question. They seem to line up to me, and I can't for the life of me figure out a good explanation for that. I am certainly willing to be educated though. I think the vast majority of the people participating in this thread would like to learn more.
You must admit the history of this guitar, and it's current price tag, seems to warrant a thorough vetting...wouldn't you agree? While Gary says it's "just a guitar," it's a mighty expensive one!:bug

I would agree, yet I don't find this thread to be a "thorough vetting".
A lot of speculation from photos, stated as fact, and variety of interesting comments from knowledgeable people, including some who have handled it.
I really don't see this as any kind of thorough vetting.
Fun and interesting reading though. :salude
 

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What would the explanation be for why so many of them do? I'm not being flippant, I'd really like to know. The odds of so many of them lining up seem astronomical. The photo is taken at an angle. If it was shot straight on, many of them would line up perfectly.

Yes, many do line up. But what I also see are several that don't line up at all.
I wouldn't have an explanation why, merely guesses [and we have a lot of those already].
If I were to see it, in my hand, I might have a better answer for you. :)
 

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No, just the guitar, at least for any new owner.

For the last 15+ years I have been on this Forum, many people want the myth to be true.
I posted two photos showing anomalies that have [in the past] been called replicas [or reworked reissues] because of the anomalies.
Gibson did not make all guitars in a model series alike, even in the same year.
That is the myth that I wrote about [in my post that you quoted], and not about the validity of this guitar.
 

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What exactly are you asking?

Seems pretty obvious ... I am asking about your post where you comment about the thickness of razorblades.
What were you talking about with that comment?
 
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