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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by dtw576
    Man,

    What kind of monitor is that? Just couldn't take my eyes off it! spin spin spin spin
    It's the kind of monitor that sits on the floor by that ancient CPU. spin

    It's a vintage 1991 Apple 17". Was quite a monitor in it's day. Cost me over 1000 dollars. Has a real nice trinitron CRT with .28mm dot pitch.

    Looking at that pic...that monitor is one of the few items in that pic that is newer than 1980

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Papa
    I've had Champs and I didn't like them. In my memory, they have the sogginess I was talking about. Maybe a different speaker with a tighter low end would have helped?

    There's a relationship in HiFi amps where more power means the amp can produce a fuller tone with more bass at the same volume as a lower powered amp. The lower power amp will produce the same loudness, but with less bass and fullness in general (I know this is not a rule and it depends on circuit design and components). I love low wattage amps because they break up sooner and you can get power tube distortion from them at reasonable volumes. My problem with the low wattage, single ended amps I have played is that they can sound flappy and uncontrolled--especially in the low end.

    So, is there an amp out there that will give you tube amp distortion WITH defined bass at a home-usable volume? If so, somebody let me know!
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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    And those blinds....are they Levelor?



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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Levelor!?

    You think I'm made of money?

    Those are replica mini's from the 80's. Previous home owner left those behind. Can you believe it?

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    The lack of a bunch of low bass doesn't bother me one bit. those are the realm of the bass player.

    A guitar just needs a lot of smooth mids and some jangle at the top. That chest thumping bass from a 4 x 12 is fun sometimes, but not missed by me when my little amp is wailing away.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    I'm hoping to hear more from you guys that have had experience with the Fender 15 watt Blues Deluxe.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by 60pinstripe
    I'm hoping to hear more from you guys that have had experience with the Fender 15 watt Blues Deluxe.
    Hey Guy, why not just get a DR? :ahem

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Deluxe reverb, Princeton and Studio 15 are my choice for 14-18W tone!

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Great thread guys, I learned a lot here. This is why this is my permanent home page!

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by burstone
    Hey Guy, why not just get a DR? :ahem
    I've already had one. But thanks for the suggestion.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by digitrack
    Duane Allman and Eric Clapton recorded most of the electric guiatr tracks on the Layla album playing through a blackface Fender Champ running full up on 10, placed on top of the piano players grand piano on a rubber mat and miked up into the console. Listen to that album and check out their tone.
    Some of the most gawd-awful tone ever recorded. I have no idea how they could listen to that and be happy. I agree with the rest of your post, but I can hardly think of a worse example to use to support it. That tone to me, sounds like the thin and buzzy tone the poster described.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Check out Bobs' 18 Watter...it slams....
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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by GCDEF
    Some of the most gawd-awful tone ever recorded. I have no idea how they could listen to that and be happy. I agree with the rest of your post, but I can hardly think of a worse example to use to support it. That tone to me, sounds like the thin and buzzy tone the poster described.
    I've got to agree. As much as I admire that album and magic that it contains, those guitar tones are the worst. I've always wondered how a master like Tom Dowd could have settled for such a nest of angry bees.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by GCDEF
    Some of the most gawd-awful tone ever recorded. I have no idea how they could listen to that and be happy. I agree with the rest of your post, but I can hardly think of a worse example to use to support it. That tone to me, sounds like the thin and buzzy tone the poster described.
    That would be Clapton's Stratocaster. Duane's tones are nice and growly without the "sack of bees" fizz.
    There is no substitute for sound pressure level.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by DrewB
    That would be Clapton's Stratocaster. Duane's tones are nice and growly without the "sack of bees" fizz.
    While I loved Claptons sound on the Les Paul, I hate his sound on the Strat. It's not the Strat, because there were and are many player who have a killer Strat tone.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko
    The lack of a bunch of low bass doesn't bother me one bit. those are the realm of the bass player.

    A guitar just needs a lot of smooth mids and some jangle at the top. That chest thumping bass from a 4 x 12 is fun sometimes, but not missed by me when my little amp is wailing away.
    If I understand him correctly, I don't think he's looking for chest-thumping lows (a la 7-string modern metal), I think he just wants his bass solid and tight instead of just intermittent bass you get from some small amps (or overdrive stomp boxes) that sounds almost like a cracked speaker.

    I like the bass to be like it's really right there in the room with me instead of like I'm listening to a radio station with a weak signal. (This is also why I prefer 12" to 10" speakers.)
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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Howza 'bout a Fender Pro Jr. (Woody) with a Weber 10F150T ceramic? I've got around $15k in amps (SLO-100, Vibroking, old Plexi etc..), and this, by far, is my favorite. Oh, I also just picked up an OLD 5w Magnatone lap steel amp( early '50's) with a moto covered cabinet, and this little bastard absolutely kills!! If you read Tonequest, it's the same one as Steve Wariner has pictured in last month's issue. If you ever happen to find one of these... buy it!!! Picked mine up for $175.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    I bought a 15 Watts Behringer Ultracoustic AT108 as a birthday present for my son. Good amp with a tube sound. My son is a beginner guitarist and this amp is perfect for learning and practicing.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Wow, a 16-year resurrection.
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    'then she made me play games I didn't wanna play...'
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    Fer fux sake! Duane's left and Dickey's right!
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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Well,...Consider my eyes opened. I knew there was a difference between tube and SS, but didn't realize it was of that magnitude. I guess I now have another direction to branch out in my GAS.

    Seriously, thanks for all the info.
    Another option might be the new Tone Master Fender SS amps. Deluxe & Twin.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Gress View Post
    Another option might be the new Tone Master Fender SS amps. Deluxe & Twin.
    Those amps didn't exist when the poster commented... :D
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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by drewbaby View Post
    Howza 'bout a Fender Pro Jr. (Woody) with a Weber 10F150T ceramic? I've got around $15k in amps (SLO-100, Vibroking, old Plexi etc..), and this, by far, is my favorite. Oh, I also just picked up an OLD 5w Magnatone lap steel amp( early '50's) with a moto covered cabinet, and this little bastard absolutely kills!! If you read Tonequest, it's the same one as Steve Wariner has pictured in last month's issue. If you ever happen to find one of these... buy it!!! Picked mine up for $175.
    I have the new pro junior, and it sounds awesome! Itís perfect for a small gig and it cuts through amazingly well.

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by CK6 View Post
    I have the new pro junior, and it sounds awesome! Itís perfect for a small gig and it cuts through amazingly well.
    I got one late last yr, my VV and my Bassman are just too loud for some places. It's loud and it sounds great! With just a vol. and tone knob it's super easy to dial in.
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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by gmann View Post
    I got one late last yr, my VV and my Bassman are just too loud for some places. It's loud and it sounds great! With just a vol. and tone knob it's super easy to dial in.
    Agree 100% - with volume at 3 o'clock it sounds killer, and I'm sure running two in stereo would sound huge for a bar gig. A lot of people say that a pine cab would improve the sound but its good enough for my purposes. Any thoughts?

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    15 watts or 120 watts..... you still get told to turn down at about the same volume.
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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by hoss View Post
    The sound is great. The stock speaker is not the best. Has no FX loop, if you should need that.


    I currently have three tube amps, all pretty low power. A 7W home built Champ, a 20W Marshall JCM2000 DSL201 and a 50W Fender Blackface Bassman.
    I had a 15W Blues Jr., 50W JCM800 2205 and an Echolette Junior (70s Vibro Champ clone).

    Low power amps are the best. Also for gigging, because your are miced into the PA anyhow and the soundman does not want a screaming 100W stack on stage.


    Good speakers are important. I have 12" Celestion Vintage 30 and Greenback and 10" Jensen Ceramic Vintage Reissues.


    Watt vs. Volume (from the aga.rru.com FAQ)
    OK. So is a 20 watt amp twice as loud as a 10 watt amp?
    I found this info somewhere on the web and found it very useful.

    Relative to the standard amp power of 50 watts:


    • 50 mW - thousandfold decrease in power (1/8 as loud) 3 orders of magnitude
    • 0.5 W - hundredfold decrease in power (1/4 as loud) 2 orders of magnitude
    • 5 W - tenfold decrease in power (1/2 as loud) 1 order of magnitude
    • 15 W - threefold decrease in power (about 2/3 as loud)
    • 100 W - twofold increase in power (maybe 25% louder)
    • 500 W - tenfold increase in power (twice as loud)

    1/8 the volume of a 50 watt amp sounds like the level I want to hear. Everyone can agree, 1/8 the volume would be nice. But let's look at the amazing decrease of power that will give this result. A 1/8 decrease in volume amounts to 3 orders of magnitude of power, yielding just 50 mW-- a thousandfold decrease in power. Three orders of magnitude! A 50 watt amp is a thousand times too powerful. X% louder = 2^log10(P2/P1) * 100%

    40 watts is 94% as loud as 50 watts.
    30 watts is 86% as loud as 50 watts.
    25 watts is 81% as loud as 50 watts.
    22 watts is 78% as loud as 50 watts.
    20 watts is 76% as loud as 50 watts.
    18 watts is 74% as loud as 50 watts.
    15 watts is 70% as loud as 50 watts.
    12 watts is 65% as loud as 50 watts.
    10 watts is 62% as loud as 50 watts.
    9 watts is 60% as loud as 50 watts.
    8 watts is 56% as loud as 50 watts.
    7 watts is 55% as loud as 50 watts.
    6 watts is 53% as loud as 50 watts.
    5 watts is 50% as loud as 50 watts.
    4 watts is 47% as loud as 50 watts.
    3 watts is 43% as loud as 50 watts.
    2 watts is 38% as loud as 50 watts.
    1 watt is 31% as loud as 50 watts.
    i understand the whole low wattage thing. i once sat in with a band.. the guitar player handed me his guitar and said 'hey.. we have a really low stage volume' the amps were set low and had pedals for tone. everything basically was coming at you through the monitors. it was crazy quiet. it was kind of cool i had to get used to it but at the end of it all it kind of all sounded 'radio'
    i always had problems hearing my guitar at deiffernt points on the stage even though i had 100 watts. til i met rick neilson (sold him a couple lap steels) i got to see his set up and he used a non desirable silverface twin reverb on the side of the stage pointed at him as a side fill. problem solved! i started parking one of my high power tweed twins to the side and even the bass player and drummer liked the extra sound!

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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    I have played many 15 watters at various jams. They have always done the job. I use mine for a lot of gigs. I used to think they were toys and that I needed 50 watts at least. I have learned......
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    Re: 15 watts...I don't get it

    It ain't the wattage.



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