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    Flyingv Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news



    I was pretty shocked to see my replacement Flying V already being sent out to me. I thought I'd be waiting many months for sure. But unfortunately, that's where the good news ended.

    This guitar has an even BIGGER piece of wood missing at the nut. What on earth is going on at this place?? They went through the trouble to rebuild a guitar that has the same problem I had in the first place. Whoever is working on these fretboards should be let go, frankly. They are ruining these guitars.

    To make matters worse, the color of this guitar barely resembles the original. It's wayyyy darker. I would call it a drab green metallic. There is also pretty visible uneven finish on the bottom corner.

    I already told them I'm sending this guitar back. Frankly, I'm done with Gibson at this point. At least any new instruments. I asked to speak directly with the Custom Shop so we'll see if they let me. It should not be this difficult to get this guitar right. Especially, at over $5k. Another weird quirk... you have to push obscenely hard to get the guitar cable to click into the input jack. Clearly... this was another rush job and no care was put into it.

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    I am so sorry to hear this awful news which sucks of course . I think now i would demand a full and complete refund as it's strike 2 and i would not want to continue down this path . Be firm and make a lot of noise to get a full refund !

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Thanks El Gringo.
    Last edited by Icandrive55; 12-01-20 at 01:58 AM.

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by Icandrive55 View Post
    Thanks El Gringo.

    It'll be real interesting to see how Gibson responds to this. So far, they've apologized for nothing and treat me as if I know nothing about guitars. They had the original guitar so it's just plain lazy that the color is so far off.

    I'm guessing they're going to try to offer me a completely different guitar, which I'm not interested in. I think they should either have a master luthier oversee the entire build or give me my money back. And I also asked for pictures before shipment. Those are the options I gave them. They should have a response for me tomorrow.
    FYI, Gibson's Master Luthier is Jim DeCola

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    FYI, Gibson's Master Luthier is Jim DeCola
    Good to know. I've seen him on their youtube channel but wasn't sure if there were any other Master Luthier's. I just sent them this picture below, which really shows how far off the color on this new guitar is.


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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by Icandrive55 View Post
    Good to know. I've seen him on their youtube channel but wasn't sure if there were any other Master Luthier's. I just sent them this picture below, which really shows how far off the color on this new guitar is.

    Holy sh*t! Thats an entirely different color!!!

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by Icandrive55 View Post
    Good to know. I've seen him on their youtube channel but wasn't sure if there were any other Master Luthier's. I just sent them this picture below, which really shows how far off the color on this new guitar is.

    Keep us updated as this important to find out how they respond to this and how they remedy this .

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by Icandrive55 View Post
    Good to know. I've seen him on their youtube channel but wasn't sure if there were any other Master Luthier's. I just sent them this picture below, which really shows how far off the color on this new guitar is.

    Keep us informed on how they respond and how they remedy this .

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Jim finally responded and copied their service and quality managers. I have a feeling they're not going to step up and take care of the situation but we'll see. A customer shouldn't have to fight and argue over dozens of emails to resolve something like this.
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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by Icandrive55 View Post
    I had to follow up for the 3rd time today. They had not offered any kind of apology or even response. I even emailed Jim DeCola. This time, I threatened to file a complaint with the attorney general. This isn't a small sum of money and they can't expect me to just chill out and wait indefinitely. I'm entitled to an instrument that's free of defects or a refund. They also promised an exact replacement so they are on the hook for that legally as well.

    Frankly, this is absolute s$%t customer service for what's supposed to be a top of the line guitar and manufacturer. It doesn't take two seconds to look at those pictures and acknowledge there is clearly a problem. Even a color blind person could tell those guitars are completely different colors.

    Jim finally responded and copied their service and quality managers. I have a feeling they're not going to step up and take care of the situation but we'll see. A customer shouldn't have to fight and argue over dozens of emails to resolve something like this.
    No need to worry. Be patient and professional, this will get addressed. The color change is significant. No business will argue that. It will probably get categorized as a shipping error.

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    No need to worry. Be patient and professional, this will get addressed. The color change is significant. No business will argue that. It will probably get categorized as a shipping error.

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Greenburst, I think it's reasonable to think that they'll look at this and do the right thing. That just hasn't been the case so I am worried. I had to send Customer Service (Europe) a ton of emails for over a month before they even acknowledged there was a problem with the first guitar. Customer Service USA never even got back to me. They just expected me to get tired of dealing with them and move on. That's why I'm looping in the higher-ups now.
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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Wow... I am livid. Gibson just responded, "it seems we're unable to build a replacement that will satisfy your requirements." They told me to return the guitar for a refund.

    No apology or attempt to actually provide the guitar they promised. Even worse, they are acting as if there is nothing wrong with this guitar and it's just me.

    I have been playing Gibson's since I was 6 years old. That is the last new Gibson I will ever purchase. They don't stand by their product at all or care that it meets any kind of quality standard. And they certainly don't care about their customers. This experience has left an absolutely awful taste in my mouth. I always looked up to this brand and really can't believe how badly they've treated me.

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Have you tried to reach out via instagram etc. to any of the gibson folks that are active there?? Cesar? Agnesi?

    It seems like this is a "pass the buck" scenario, and no one who has their shit together at gibson has actually seen the buck.

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Hey Zack,

    I had not but I just went ahead and reached out to both of them on Instagram. Thanks for the suggestion.

    I mean.. there's not much I can do after that. Jim DeCola has seen all these photos and he passed the buck as well.
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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Unbelievable as to there response , and the response from Max Guitar is even worse to question you in that manner . Typical diversion tactic to shift the blame on you versus faulty quality control . Take it a step further - they would showcase this at NAMM ? Something had to have happened at NAMM or when it was shipped out , and you shouldn't have to lump it like a piece of coal and then say Thank You . Why can't they build an exact guitar that you want and PAID for ? The only thing that would suck is waiting for it to be built .

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    good luck
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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    I have a pretty exciting possible update to this situation. The owner of Max Guitar made a very generous offer to order me a new M2M guitar with the right color and proper fretboard. He's going to pick up the original NAMM guitar as well as the replacement I received. Assuming Gibson moves forward with this. I think that's pretty significant and not something a lot of shops would be willing to do.

    For anyone interested in those guitars, I will say that the finish on the NAMM guitar is outstanding. It's a show-stopper for sure. The replacement guitar is a very cool color as well but I would say less impressive. It's more of a forest green and less metallic. But it does have a classy look to it. The other one is a lot more modern and vibrant so really depends on preference.

    However, the fit and quality of the fretboard on the replacement is substantially better. In fact, minus the piece of wood chipped out at the nut (which you can probably fill in,) it's probably the nicest fretboard I have seen on a Gibson in a very long time. Very closed-pored, dark, and smooth. It's not dried out at all. That fretboard is also seamless with neck where it isn't on the NAMM guitar. The fretboard difference is substantial. I can't stress that enough.

    So really, the choice is between playability and quality vs appearance. It's not an easy choice and I was going to try to pick one of them over taking the refund. If anyone has any questions, let me know.

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by Icandrive55 View Post
    I have a pretty exciting possible update to this situation. The owner of Max Guitar made a very generous offer to order me a new M2M guitar with the right color and proper fretboard. He's going to pick up the original NAMM guitar as well as the replacement I received. Assuming Gibson moves forward with this. I think that's pretty significant and not something a lot of shops would be willing to do.

    For anyone interested in those guitars, I will say that the finish on the NAMM guitar is outstanding. It's a show-stopper for sure. The replacement guitar is a very cool color as well but I would say less impressive. It's more of a forest green and less metallic. But it does have a classy look to it. The other one is a lot more modern and vibrant so really depends on preference.

    However, the fit and quality of the fretboard on the replacement is substantially better. In fact, minus the piece of wood chipped out at the nut (which you can probably fill in,) it's probably the nicest fretboard I have seen on a Gibson in a very long time. Very closed-pored, dark, and smooth. It's not dried out at all. That fretboard is also seamless with neck where it isn't on the NAMM guitar. The fretboard difference is substantial. I can't stress that enough.

    So really, the choice is between playability and quality vs appearance. It's not an easy choice and I was going to try to pick one of them over taking the refund. If anyone has any questions, let me know.
    Well this is most promising news and sounds like the owner came to his senses and wants to do the right thing for a good paying customer , for which in this day and age of the Pandemic times are tough and treat people right that want to patronize your business and stand by your products . I am by no means telling you what to do but if i were you i would go with that option/choice of having the owner order you a completely brand new M2M guitar with the right color and proper fretboard and also to have it SPEC'ed out to your personal specs and preference such as neck size and pickups and string gauge and such personal preferences and don't be shy in speaking up about that in a most polite way of course ,that way it is more tailored to your personal taste and thus makes it that much more special . Truly wonderful news and speaks volumes about shops doing the right thing , which sometimes can be all up hill , but then you hear news like this that made me smile . Please continue to keep us updated on this process and Best Wishes !

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Thank you for your suggestion, El Gringo. The pickups sound great and I'm happy with the .10's on there. However, the neck is a little beefy for my tastes. I asked if it wasn't any added trouble to go with a slightly slimmer neck so we'll see. I compared it to my '55 Special and it's quite a bit thicker than that as well as my Les Paul Standard. It still feels good but not quite what I'm accustomed to. I think that will also help with the neck dive a bit.

    I'm crossing my fingers this all gets approved and moves forward. Would be a great ending to a pretty crazy experience!

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    I've been watching this thread and I can't believe that anyone would call you picky. The chunk out of the fretboard, while not huge, should be unacceptable to any QC person on a cheap guitar, much less one of this level.
    And implying there's no difference in the color? Someone ought to get their eyes tested.
    Glad to hear Max Guitar is going to try to make it right for you - hoping a bunch of people will go over the newest one with a fine-tooth comb for you.
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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by jrgtr42 View Post
    I've been watching this thread and I can't believe that anyone would call you picky. The chunk out of the fretboard, while not huge, should be unacceptable to any QC person on a cheap guitar, much less one of this level.
    And implying there's no difference in the color? Someone ought to get their eyes tested.
    Glad to hear Max Guitar is going to try to make it right for you - hoping a bunch of people will go over the newest one with a fine-tooth comb for you.
    That's pretty much exactly how I feel about the fretboard issue. No.. it's not going to affect playability but just kind of shocking and not really acceptable on a guitar at this price point. Like I mentioned to Gibson, I've probably played hundreds of guitars and I can't remember seeing anything like that by the nut on any guitar. Even my $700 Gretsch has a perfectly cut rosewood fretboard. If the color was perfect and that was the only issue, I would probably fill it in and take it for what it is.

    Unfortunately... Gibson has not responded yet to Max Guitar's offer to order another M2M guitar. I think the owner is trying his best to get them to the table but it may not happen. I'm hoping I get some good news next week.

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Good news! The order just got approved for another Verdoro Green Flying V. Max Guitar specified that they match the color exactly and that there are no issues with the fretboard. I have to give this store major credit as I know it was not easy to get Gibson to do this again. It took several weeks.

    Of course, I will be posting pictures and an update once the new guitar arrives.

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by Icandrive55 View Post
    Good news! The order just got approved for another Verdoro Green Flying V. Max Guitar specified that they match the color exactly and that there are no issues with the fretboard. I have to give this store major credit as I know it was not easy to get Gibson to do this again. It took several weeks.

    Of course, I will be posting pictures and an update once the new guitar arrives.
    Most awesome news and i am very happy for you to get a positive resolution

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by winered82 View Post
    Holy sh*t! Thats an entirely different color!!!
    the top metallic pea Griswold Green is the shizit

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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by garywright View Post
    the top metallic pea Griswold Green is the shizit
    I'd like to say that's a good happy ending (no such thing as a bad happy ending?), but the fat lady can't sing until you actually get an acceptable replacement.
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    Re: Replacement NAMM '67 Flying V has arrived... not good news

    Quote Originally Posted by wmachine View Post
    I'd like to say that's a good happy ending (no such thing as a bad happy ending?), but the fat lady can't sing until you actually get an acceptable replacement.
    You are not wrong. At this point though, I'll be keeping whatever they send me so think positive thoughts! The owner did implicitly specify in this new order that the color be exact and the fretboard free of any bad cuts, splintering, holes etc. They've been sent all the pictures as well so I think the likelihood of this being a better guitar than the other two is pretty high.

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