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    Solder quality from factory

    I recently inherited a 2011 Gibson LP Studio Pro from the original owner who hardly played it and definitely did not do any work to it or have anyone else do any work to it. I was shocked at the solder quality when I opened the covers. I have soldered for a living as an avionics tech since Reagan was President so I'm used to not being impressed by solder jobs but these are really bad. I wouldn't expect this from a hobbyist or a sweatshop worker in Malaysia, much less from the USA factory of one of the top guitar makers in the world. I still love it but interested in knowing if this quality is the exception or the rule.


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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    I agree. Most guitar techie YouTube videos are no better, often far worse; makes your picture look really good. Really bad and messy, cold-soldered joints at pots are common. You are coming from a different level (universe) of electronics!

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    I have seen worse, much worse in guitars ( I have seen better and I would love to say that it was the majority but really I can't )

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Agree with all the above. In my experience, Fender style guitars seem to fare better, but I guess the qualified guys tend to be electricians, not guitar builders.

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    That's how they do them. Might not meet your aviation standards but works just fine on a guitar.

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Looks fine to me , I don't believe many here would be willing to pay for aviation standards .
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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    is that really stock with the wires protruding on the center lugs of the volume pots

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Surely a 2011 would have had a PCB? I would suspect that is not the original wiring.

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    My 2019 R9 has far worse soldering than this. That looks clean!
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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    That doesn't look standard to me.

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    That's how they do them. Might not meet your aviation standards but works just fine on a guitar.
    It's not an aviation standard. It's general soldering principles that you can learn after a 5 minute YouTube video.

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulD View Post
    Surely a 2011 would have had a PCB? I would suspect that is not the original wiring.
    It's original. Confirmed with previous owner. He got the guitar new from MF, played it one time, and put it away. You would like to think that it wouldn't be but it seems that they really cut corners on the Studio Pro.

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Quote Originally Posted by garywright View Post
    is that really stock with the wires protruding on the center lugs of the volume pots
    Yep. Cold solder joints are one thing but that wire was the WTF. Similar quality on the switch as well.

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Nothing worse than bad solder! Problem today is most of the solder used is water based or some other crap to meet “safety regulations” for air quality. Gimme good old rosin based solder, which is becoming harder to find..

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    Nothing worse than bad solder! Problem today is most of the solder used is water based or some other crap to meet “safety regulations” for air quality. Gimme good old rosin based solder, which is becoming harder to find..
    Yup, lead based solder is incredibly hard to get these days. Unfortunately the silver based solder isn't a good replacement yet.
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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    I have never had a problem with any solder joints that came factory from Fender or Gibson . Anyways see what happens when we peak inside of places we should leave alone .

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    Nothing worse than bad solder! Problem today is most of the solder used is water based or some other crap to meet “safety regulations” for air quality. Gimme good old rosin based solder, which is becoming harder to find..
    These guys knew a thing or two about solder ! My stash !
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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Um...

    Solder has a shelf life.

    Old solder does break down.


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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Yuup...
    One of the weaknesses with rosin core solder is oxidation on the outside and the inside (core) of the solder. Old solder will oxidize on outside and inside. The outer surface will oxidize from shiny to dull gray. The inner core can oxidize as well. Rosin is a general term for a broad range of chemical compositions used over the years. Rosin can be gum rosin from pine trees, or wood rosin from tree stumps, or tall oil rosin that is a by product from paper manufacturing. Then factor in additives.

    The rosin is there to scavenge oxides when soldering...that helps to chemically bond the pieces together. If you are using old solder that is oxidized outside and inside...the solder will flow slowly and the join may be hard to work. Think of re-flowing really old solder joins without adding new solder/flux...it just gets messy because of the oxides and the old rosin flux is long gone for function. Everything looks crumbly and gray.

    If you have solder wire that has turned gray...burnish it to remove the outside oxidized layer. Try making a test join to see if the rosin core has the chemical strength to evenly flow. If it works...’maybe’ you’ll be OK. My humble experience with an old, dull gray, spool of solder I had for 30+ years...it would not even wet the clean tip of the soldering iron....I could not use it.

    Best advice...if you have old solder wire: looks gray (oxidized)...recycle it as electronic waste and buy a new spool. Amazon has all kinds of options to buy 60/40 rosin core solder that you can buy every day.

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    Re: Solder quality from factory

    Thank you guys , I have a extensive back ground with oxidized materials similar and dissimilar joining believe me I don't struggle with the task .
    Last edited by AA00475Bassman; 08-12-20 at 07:14 PM.
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