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    Opinions on 1961 LP, help wanted:)

    So there’s a really cool looking but totally mauled 1961 LP SG for sale locally. Neck and heel both cracked, PAFs gone and replaced with Throbaks, grovers and callaham bridge/tp fitted. Rest of electronics are claimed to be original. Seller is asking nearly 9K (!!) which to me seems completely ridiculous, but there are extremely few of these here so was wondering what the wizards here thought this should be worth? My gut feeling says less than half of asking...








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    Re: Opinions on 1961 LP, help wanted:)

    Argh! What the hell happened to that thang? What a wreck!

    You're not seriously considering buying that mess? Please do not buy that guitar.

    But since you asked about value......based on the incomplete photos and history you provided, I wouldn't pay more than $3,000 for that guitar, and that's with the original hardshell case.
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    Re: Opinions on 1961 LP, help wanted:)

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall1987 View Post
    Argh! What the hell happened to that thang? What a wreck!

    You're not seriously considering buying that mess? Please do not buy that guitar.

    But since you asked about value......based on the incomplete photos and history you provided, I wouldn't pay more than $3,000 for that guitar, and that's with the original hardshell case.
    haha, I see your point but I really like a beat up ol’ guitar. The neck issues are of course negative, but I’m not spending the $$ for a clean one and thought I might replace my (really nice) CS SG with this one. I have a set of PAFs and thought it might make a cool player, albeit only if the price is right. My concern is that when the seller is this far off reality he’s probably not willing to realize what it really is worth. We’ll see.

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    I think it looks cool as hell

    Don't know anything about the pricing though.
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    Re: Opinions on 1961 LP, help wanted:)

    I would think if it did not have neck and heel damage maybe for the listed price including being gutted of original parts and pickups . With neck and heel damage = no way .

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    Re: Opinions on 1961 LP, help wanted:)

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    I would think if it did not have neck and heel damage maybe for the listed price including being gutted of original parts and pickups . With neck and heel damage = no way .
    thanks, pretty much exactly how I feel.

    To be clear, I am NOT even considering paying the asking price, but thought I’d get some qualified feedback to use when trying to get the seller to understand why I am offering him a completely different price.

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    Re: Opinions on 1961 LP, help wanted:)

    Quote Originally Posted by Phatfrank View Post
    thanks, pretty much exactly how I feel.

    To be clear, I am NOT even considering paying the asking price, but thought I’d get some qualified feedback to use when trying to get the seller to understand why I am offering him a completely different price.
    Sometimes it's good to get perspective from others and then along with your own views and feelings make a better informed choice , which is what it's all about . Remember plenty of fish in the sea and if one door closes another one opens . Best Wishes !

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    Re: Opinions on 1961 LP, help wanted:)

    Believe it or not, this beat up 1961/2 Gibson LP/SG was sold at Gruhn's in the mid $4K range in 2013.



    This is a work in progress, needing a better set of PUPs and some modest fret work. But it isn't a trainwreck. This is what I consider to be a starting point for the vintage SG collector. A mint example would be over $10K.

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    Re: Opinions on 1961 LP, help wanted:)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Ark View Post
    Believe it or not, this beat up 1961/2 Gibson LP/SG was sold at Gruhn's in the mid $4K range in 2013.



    This is a work in progress, needing a better set of PUPs and some modest fret work. But it isn't a trainwreck. This is what I consider to be a starting point for the vintage SG collector. A mint example would be over $10K.
    Point well made!

    The Gruhn SG/Les Paul you referenced retains much of, if not all, of it's originality; whereas, the OPs pictured SG/Les Paul shows substantial modifications and damage. Gruhn's SG/Les Paul sold for a reasonable price "in the mid $4K range".

    With this in mind, my advice to the OP in an earlier post; i.e., not more than $3,000, is perhaps too generous. I don't think the OPs pictured SG/Les Paul is worth any more than $2,500.
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    Re: Opinions on 1961 LP, help wanted:)

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall1987 View Post
    Point well made!

    The Gruhn SG/Les Paul you referenced retains much of, if not all, of it's originality; whereas, the OPs pictured SG/Les Paul shows substantial modifications and damage. Gruhn's SG/Les Paul sold for a reasonable price "in the mid $4K range".

    With this in mind, my advice to the OP in an earlier post; i.e., not more than $3,000, is perhaps too generous. I don't think the OPs pictured SG/Les Paul is worth any more than $2,500.
    thanks for the input. Prices have moved a little on since 2013, but this corona thing may fix thatI’ll contact the seller and hear what he says. I was told he bought it a little while ago in the 3.500-4.000 usd range all in (please note we have to pay 25% vat here for imports) so isn’t far off your estimate. I will admit I’d buy it in a heartbeat for 3k

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