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  1. #561

    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zapper View Post
    It IS true... Why would I lie about it? Terry wants to buy the guitar and has made me a very reasonable offer (as Tom will confirm). In other words he is putting his money where his mouth is. If it wasn't such a fabulous guitar to play, I would have bitten his arm off days ago..!!
    Take his money. I suspect it’s the best offer you’ll get. But then again, didn’t Tom say you have a better offer from someone else? Yeah a good replica might run to $10k but that’s for a good replica. IMHO the case is the most valuable thing in this whole deal, as long as the case doesn’t smell of barf like you said the guitar that does?

  2. #562

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    Quote Originally Posted by mipstoo View Post
    I'd advise you start a new thread:

    Parting out my allegedly 1960 Burst... Need HELP!
    In the replica section. ;)

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by sweiger View Post

    or it DIDN'T HAPPEN

    Lemme guess It's TRUE, but you testified in writing to Tom & Terry that you'd NEVER EVER show ANYONE the pics
    I promised him by email. Seems perfectly sensible to me... why give away your trade secrets so that a) others can use them, b) fraudsters can abuse them...?!

  4. #564

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapper View Post
    I understand that this "colleague" was a certain Mr Harris, who earlier today you described as a "convicted fraudster" (post 463). He was apparently trying to extort more money out of Gareth to put the valuation in writing (!). He refused and unfortunately upset said "fraudster". Given that someone on this thread recently valued a 'good replica' at about £10,000, the ridiculous figure of £300 is clearly a vindictive joke...

    I sent loads of photos and information to Gary tonight so let's wait and see what he says...
    I’ve amended that post, as PH has not in fact been convicted of fraud, unlike the other two mentioned. As for what Gary would say from any further photos you might have sent, I’m pretty sure he’s made his opinion known in my earlier post, as well as his opinion of you and Gareth in private.

    Did Gareth take his ‘56 Les Paul Goldtop’ to Phil Harris that day also?



    ‘56 Goldtop’ headstock on the left, and OP’s ‘60 Les Paul’ on the right:



    Did he get an opinion on that too?

    As a quick recap- Joe Bonamassa, JJ Blair, John M, Richard Henry, Phil Harris and Gary Winterflood have all stated online and off that this is steaming pile of shite, and who have collectively played/handled/owned/brokered/sold the fair balance of all genuine sunburst Les Pauls between them.......vs YOU? You should empty the contents of that legit Cali Girl case into a skip and focus your considerable imagination on writing detective novels for children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Nugent View Post
    In the replica section. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapper View Post
    I promised him by email. Seems perfectly sensible to me... why give away your trade secrets so that a) others can use them, b) fraudsters can abuse them...?!
    Bull.
    Almost all of the important tells ARE in the open, has been for many years. And your ehrm ...guitar... has shown in numerous ways where it didn't come from

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    Ian, before you do another thing, call a lawyer... I wouldn't want you to make this situation any worse than it already is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweiger View Post
    Bull.
    Almost all of the important tells ARE in the open, has been for many years. And your ehrm ...guitar... has shown in numerous ways where it didn't come from
    The real smoking gun IMO is that Terry claims there’s a ‘secret’ smoking gun ‘tell’ he won’t reveal. Sounds exactly like Ganzler talking. Remember the ‘In Ganz We Trust’ mantra all the suck asses used to use? And that’s how confidence tricksters operate. ‘Trust me I’m a doctor’.

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Is this post still going

    Jeez as bad as self isolation has been this thread has been a car crash

    I still don't understand why it's still in the Vintage section ? it's clearly a fake, I wouldn't even call it a replica
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Nugent View Post
    The real smoking gun IMO is that Terry claims there’s a ‘secret’ smoking gun ‘tell’ he won’t reveal. Sounds exactly like Ganzler talking. Remember the ‘In Ganz We Trust’ mantra all the suck asses used to use? And that’s how confidence tricksters operate. ‘Trust me I’m a doctor’.

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoj View Post
    Is this post still going

    Jeez as bad as self isolation has been this thread has been a car crash

    I still don't understand why it's still in the Vintage section ? it's clearly a fake, I wouldn't even call it a replica
    Because Tom still think it's legit ..
    Edit: Maybe at least that's good for this thread's entertainment value / artistic impression

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jumping@Shadows View Post
    I’ve amended that post, as PH has not in fact been convicted of fraud, unlike the other two mentioned. As for what Gary would say from any further photos you might have sent, I’m pretty sure he’s made his opinion known in my earlier post, as well as his opinion of you and Gareth in private.

    Did Gareth take his ‘56 Les Paul Goldtop’ to Phil Harris that day also?



    ‘56 Goldtop’ headstock on the left, and OP’s ‘60 Les Paul’ on the right:



    Did he get an opinion on that too?

    As a quick recap- Joe Bonamassa, JJ Blair, John M, Richard Henry, Phil Harris and Gary Winterflood have all stated online and off that this is steaming pile of shite, and who have collectively played/handled/owned/brokered/sold the fair balance of all genuine sunburst Les Pauls between them.......vs YOU? You should empty the contents of that legit Cali Girl case into a skip and focus your considerable imagination on writing detective novels for children.
    So you're admitting you got your facts wrong then? I have no idea whether Gareth showed him any other guitars. He did however vow never to go anywhere near him again. As in fact did I about 30 years ago, when I asked him to look at a pre-CBS Strat for me. He told me this was wrong and that was wrong but admitted that it WAS a genuine Strat. He told me though that it was worth about £2,000 absolute TOPS and that he would buy it if I wanted to sell. Thinking back, he didn't give me anything in writing then either.... I wonder why?! Unfortunately I was too green & fresh faced to ask for some written evidence. My gut feel at the time though was that it was worth considerably more on account of the original Fiesta Red finish so I advertised it in LOOT instead (oh for the good ol' days..!). I priced it rather optimistically at £4,000 and within the week had sold it (to a guy from Belgium) for.... guess what... £4,000. By an incredible co-incidence though, the Belgian guy then took it to Harris the next day for his appraisal (I didn't tell him I'd been there too a few weeks earlier...!). And guess what, Harris told him that a load of other stuff was apparently wrong with it, to such an extent that the guy (quite reasonably) wanted some of his money back...! So there ya go.... caveat emptor.... especially with Mr Harris around.

    Incidentally, how can you possibly compare the front of one headstock with the back of another..?! In any event, they look nothing like each other..!

  13. #573

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoj View Post
    Is this post still going

    Jeez as bad as self isolation has been this thread has been a car crash

    I still don't understand why it's still in the Vintage section ? it's clearly a fake, I wouldn't even call it a replica
    I think this has been one of the all time classic LPF threads, with many heavy hitters, compelling twists and turns, upsets and reveals and has been highly educational for all, and I think harkens to the days when you knew the LPF held the most potent concentration of experience, wisdom and also vocal veracity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapper View Post
    So you're admitting you got your facts wrong then? I have no idea whether Gareth showed him any other guitars. He did however vow never to go anywhere near him again. As in fact did I about 30 years ago, when I asked him to look at a pre-CBS Strat for me. He told me this was wrong and that was wrong but admitted that it WAS a genuine Strat. He told me though that it was worth about £2,000 absolute TOPS and that he would buy it if I wanted to sell. Thinking back, he didn't give me anything in writing then either.... I wonder why?! Unfortunately I was too green & fresh faced to ask for some written evidence. My gut feel at the time though was that it was worth considerably more on account of the original Fiesta Red finish so I advertised it in LOOT instead (oh for the good ol' days..!). I priced it rather optimistically at £4,000 and within the week had sold it (to a guy from Belgium) for.... guess what... £4,000. By an incredible co-incidence though, the Belgian guy then took it to Harris the next day for his appraisal (I didn't tell him I'd been there too a few weeks earlier...!). And guess what, Harris told him that a load of other stuff was apparently wrong with it, to such an extent that the guy (quite reasonably) wanted some of his money back...! So there ya go.... caveat emptor.... especially with Mr Harris around.

    Incidentally, how can you possibly compare the front of one headstock with the back of another..?! In any event, they look nothing like each other..!
    Ian, dude- it’s over. You did amazingly well, really remarkably well with what you had to work with, up against the worldwide Burst community whom you had not an inkling would be publicly crushing you and your guitar to dust, and we’ve all really enjoyed it, but this is silly now.
    There’s also not a dealer or vintage Les Paul enthusiast in the UK or US who now doesn’t know your and Gareth’s names and the high end guitars you hold between you

    You’ve maintained commendable good humour through all this, and you should absolutely sell it to Terry Mueller immediately so you actually get something out of it all.

    I’d name this the ‘Corona Burst’, as it most likely originated in Asia, causes intense but brief confusion and distress and is highly contagious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumping@Shadows View Post
    Ian, dude- it’s over. You did amazingly well, really remarkably well with what you had to work with, up against the worldwide Burst community whom you had not an inkling would be publicly crushing you and your guitar to dust, and we’ve all really enjoyed it, but this is silly now.
    There’s also not a dealer or vintage Les Paul enthusiast in the UK or US who now doesn’t know your and Gareth’s names and the high end guitars you hold between you

    You’ve maintained commendable good humour through all this, and you should absolutely sell it to Terry Mueller immediately so you actually get something out of it all.

    I’d name this the ‘Corona Burst’, as it most likely originated in Asia, causes intense but brief confusion and distress and is highly contagious.
    ^^ The Corona wannabe burst right?

    Jumping@shadows, wasn't your pic of the "56" GT and 0-2453 meant to compare the moustaches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweiger View Post
    ^^ The Corona wannabe burst right?

    Jumping, wasn't your pic of the "56" GT and 0-2453 meant to compare the moustaches?
    Yes indeed- both wonky AF, almost as if they were made by the same guy

    Anyway, I’m off to work! Another sunny day in lockdown

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by KennyF View Post
    Ian, before you do another thing, call a lawyer... I wouldn't want you to make this situation any worse than it already is...
    Call a lawyer what..? Expensive?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweiger View Post
    Then show us the magic pics, from which even YOU with your untrained eyes, can guess the secret telltale
    Ditto...
    Theres no smoking gun pictures to a home made guitar. Not Luthier quality. Only thing magical about this transaction was when the money vanished.

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jumping@Shadows View Post
    Ian, dude- it’s over. You did amazingly well, really remarkably well with what you had to work with, up against the worldwide Burst community whom you had not an inkling would be publicly crushing you and your guitar to dust, and we’ve all really enjoyed it, but this is silly now.
    There’s also not a dealer or vintage Les Paul enthusiast in the UK or US who now doesn’t know your and Gareth’s names and the high end guitars you hold between you

    You’ve maintained commendable good humour through all this, and you should absolutely sell it to Terry Mueller immediately so you actually get something out of it all.

    I’d name this the ‘Corona Burst’, as it most likely originated in Asia, causes intense but brief confusion and distress and is highly contagious.
    Ok I admit it... 'Corona Burst' is actually quite amusing..! But what flavour Corona (ask yer Mum)? If it does turn out to be a dud then presumably 'Lemon'...

    And why has no-one yet dared to answer my post #553 and managed to come up with a 'back-of-the-envelope' worst case number for me? No-one here any good at maffs (or Math as you yanks call it..!)? Would be nice to know if I can afford to eat tonight or not....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapper View Post
    Ok I admit it... 'Corona Burst' is actually quite amusing..! But what flavour Corona (ask yer Mum)? If it does turn out to be a dud then presumably 'Lemon'...

    And why has no-one yet dared to answer my post #553 and managed to come up with a 'back-of-the-envelope' worst case number for me? No-one here any good at maffs..?! Would be nice to know if I can afford to eat tonight....
    Tell us what Terry Mueller’s offer was- he’s your expert and explicitly knows this guitar better than anyone else in the world, and is the long time confidant of Tom Wittrock one of the most famous and established Burst collectors in the community, who will have an exhaustive knowledge of prices/values going back almost 50 years to guide him?

    You could also go with the one for *£300* you’ve already been given after a professional appraisal when your best mate took this to Phil Harris two years ago before you started this ‘aw gee gosh! I just dun got an old red and yellow geetar, what do you guys think of it?’, thread? Gareth also sent various photos to Richard Henry back in October/November, who told him it’s complete garbage and the only value is in the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumping@Shadows View Post
    Ian, dude- it’s over. You did amazingly well, really remarkably well with what you had to work with, up against the worldwide Burst community whom you had not an inkling would be publicly crushing you and your guitar to dust, and we’ve all really enjoyed it, but this is silly now.
    There’s also not a dealer or vintage Les Paul enthusiast in the UK or US who now doesn’t know your and Gareth’s names and the high end guitars you hold between you

    You’ve maintained commendable good humour through all this, and you should absolutely sell it to Terry Mueller immediately so you actually get something out of it all.

    I’d name this the ‘Corona Burst’, as it most likely originated in Asia, causes intense but brief confusion and distress and is highly contagious.
    not chibson woods. garage burst. I hear there's a few more floating around....

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zapper View Post
    Ok I admit it... 'Corona Burst' is actually quite amusing..! But what flavour Corona (ask yer Mum)? If it does turn out to be a dud then presumably 'Lemon'...

    And why has no-one yet dared to answer my post #553 and managed to come up with a 'back-of-the-envelope' worst case number for me? No-one here any good at maffs..?! Would be nice to know if I can afford to eat tonight....
    Less than what you traded for... especially if you added money.

    I don't understand why you go back to the seller?

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jumping@Shadows View Post
    I think this has been one of the all time classic LPF threads, with many heavy hitters, compelling twists and turns, upsets and reveals and has been highly educational for all, and I think harkens to the days when you knew the LPF held the most potent concentration of experience, wisdom and also vocal veracity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumping@Shadows View Post
    I’d wholly agree with this, and it’s not easy to overlook the other guitars connected with the OP and players in this thread- has the ‘58 sunburst been authenticated by a known and recognised person? Has the ‘56 and ‘58 Goldtops on Gareth Ayers Facebook been authenticated?
    The OP states he’s not an expert, and that no one has seen it in hand other than himself and the seller, and it’s literally only Tom Wittrock and Terry Mueller who insist it’s genuine based on the same pics we’ve all seen, but have no detailed and plausible come back against explicit public statements it’s a poor fake from Joe Bomamassa, JJ Blair and F-Hole et al, with numerous others who’ve lived and breathed Bursts for decades agreeing behind the scenes.

    This thread would have fizzled out days ago if it wasn’t for Terry’s remarkable explanation for all the scrutinised problems, but neither he nor Tom will budge despite the opinions of their respected peers, and it seems it’d be useful for those parties to step up and make a plausible and detailed argument to explain to us why they’re convinced, rather than die on a hill defending a random and highly suspect guitar with no provable provenance from an unknown and self proclaimed uneducated source
    ditto. there is not even an unreasonablef sinareo for the bizzaro amateur retooling. Beer goggles?,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapper View Post
    Ok I admit it... 'Corona Burst' is actually quite amusing..! But what flavour Corona (ask yer Mum)? If it does turn out to be a dud then presumably 'Lemon'...

    And why has no-one yet dared to answer my post #553 and managed to come up with a 'back-of-the-envelope' worst case number for me? No-one here any good at maffs..?! Would be nice to know if I can afford to eat tonight....
    ‘If it does turn out to be a dud?’ Have you not yet realised there are only two people in the entire known universe convinced that your guitar is a real 1960 Les Paul? Tom & Terry. And Terry had to convince Tom. I can tell you exactly what it’s worth in the real world if you really want to know? And you can have this valuation for free! It’s worth exactly what Terry is prepared to pay you for it. And considering the guitars you traded plus the undisclosed amount of cash, I’d suggest that that’s an offer you can’t afford to refuse IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I don't recall View Post
    Ditto...
    Theres no smoking gun pictures to a home made guitar. Not Luthier quality. Only thing magical about this transaction was when the money vanished.
    It was not home made. As other knowledgeable members have pointed out, it is most likely a MIJ copycrap guitar, home butchered in a pathetic attempt to resemble the real thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    I remember Joe Ganzler stating here that he sent Terry Mueller all his pics of that Sheldon fake he authenticated and Terry gave him a thumbs-up on it, fwiw.
    No no NO! Terry NEVER liked the Sheldon guitars and questioned WTF Joe thought he saw.

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    I take a couple of days off from reading this and miss 6 pages..

    I'm still of the same opinion I was on page one which is it's a lovely case..

    Very entertaining thread with a lot of the old guard coming out to play.


    As JJ said, it's taken my mind off rather more serious and close to home issues right now. Stay safe everyone.

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    This thread is like the chinese joint down the street. It delivers!!!!!!!!

    Either beat the shit out of that limey bastard that can't dance, or sue his panties off, then beat the shit out of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.WillieVK View Post
    No no NO! Terry NEVER liked the Sheldon guitars and questioned WTF Joe thought he saw.
    And I question WTH Terry thinks he sees in this thing?

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    I'm not finding this entertaining in the slightest, cringe worthy yes, entertaining? not by a long chalk....

    JJ Blair gets my Man of the Match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ourmaninthenorth View Post
    I'm not finding this entertaining in the slightest, cringe worthy yes, entertaining? not by a long chalk....

    JJ Blair gets my Man of the Match.
    ^^^^^
    +1

    The guitar, behaviour of the OP, threats from the sellers ...
    That these things can still happen, and that buyers are ok with it so it continues...

    Cringe worthy indeed

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    Welp, if there is one thing that I have learned from this thread, it's don't mortgage the house to fund a Burst.

    If "world recognised experts" cannot agree on this fugazi, then pretty much any authentication is worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapper View Post
    OK JJ, thanks for the pic of the rings. I assume you mean 'blacklighting' rather than 'backlighting'? Let's say for the sake of argument that you are right - the guitar is some sort of replica but with some original '60s & '70s parts. If so, surely gotta be worth more than Harris's £300 valuation? Do you agree? I've heard for instance that the plastic selector ring, assuming original, is worth well over that on its own!

    So, rather like breaking a car for its individual parts, anyone want to hazard a guess at my worst case scenario in terms of value? If say it IS a '52 Junior body, and decent '70s neck, and '60s knobs & selector ring, and '79 T Top, and '70s DiMarzio, and replica M69s, and '74 pots, and '70s Grovers..... gotta be worth a few quid/bucks.... surely?!

    I have no idea about the value of these vintage parts, hence coming to you guys for advice. But if anyone does, how about adding up the value of these bits on the back of an envelope for me? At least I'll then be prepared for the worst if Gary does give it the thumbs down...!


    And surely the case is worth a few quid/bucks if a genuine '60s Cali girl??
    I don't know if it's a proper selector ring. I just said I can't say for sure it isn't, from that photo.
    That's not a '70s neck, and it's not a Junior body.
    Take the money Terry is offering, He's a big boy, and he's making his own mistake, eyes wife open, where as Gareth took advantage of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Blair View Post
    Zapper, now I'm starting to think that you're not in on the scam, and you just got taken advantage of. Either go to my website and e-mail me or find me on FB. I want to help you out before you find yourself in a situation you can't get out of. Burst authentication is clearly not your forté, and I don't want to see you get hurt, because those blacklight pics are pretty damning.
    This is the best post of this thread imho. JJ Blair--what you wrote here is awesome!!

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    I remember when I was 21, and I was buying and selling a bunch of carpets, I walking around the Rose Bowl swap meet with my rug mentor. I had just bought a 1930's Bakhtiari Chahar Mahal for $650. My friend didn't think I got such a good deal. It wasn't that it was fake, but rather that it would be a hard rug to make a profit on with the dealers on LaCienega. But, being the genius he is, he told me to walk with it in front of this other guy's booth at the swap meet, because he was not a very knowledgable seller, and he would want to buy it, and I should sell it to him for $800.

    Sure enough, I walk in front of that guy's booth, he wants to see the rug I'm holding, asks how much, I tell him $800, and boom, I just made $150, rather than sitting on a rug that I was going to have a hard time moving.

    Sell Terry the guitar. Take the profit. Move on.

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jumping@Shadows View Post
    I’m uncomfortable with this comment tbh- we can all make mistakes, and my sense is Terry was biased towards giving a positive assessment perhaps? He’s as far as I know a highly respected luthier with a long and respectable career, and this is a farcical blip over a negligible item.
    Both Terry and myself will gladly admit if we have it wrong. And from all the posts, it seems very possible we have gotten it wrong.
    Neither of us like the term "expert" applied to us [although I did apply it to Terry; I shouldn't have used that word].

    Gary W hasn't seen the guitar in person, but seems to feel strongly it isn't a real Burst.

    I am disappointed in the negativity and hate posted by several here. Not the first time, and probably not the last time.
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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    not sure if there was any “hate” posted ..however, strong feelings came about with the “110%” claim of authenticity by Terry

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    Re: Restoring my 1960 'Burst... need HELP..!! :-)

    Would love to hear the conversation between these two wankers. Either Garth isn't answering the telly, (that's a telephone over there), or he's still trying to convince the OD, (original douche), that it is still to legit to quit, and this place is crazy.

    Or.........they're both in on it, and they came up with a plan to run the guitar by this place, and see if anyone salutes, and say that Garth sold it to him.

    Not buying the 'reworked' angle. Bursts have been special for a long time. Who would 'rework' the neck/headstock, then 'rework' the pickup routes, then decide to go all in and 'rework' the control cavity, making all things that make a Burst recognizable unrecognizable.

    I certainly don't know Terry Mueller, but have nothing but mad respect for him. Being a home luthier, (I love working on guitars), I know he's tops in his craft. No idea what he sees, of course. We'll probably never know. Actually knowing if this is a 100% '58, '59, or '60s Gibson is above my paygrade, but it looks absolutely like nothing I've been lead to believe is a Burst over the last couple decades.

    Do I feel bad for the buyer? No. He seems like a jackass. Not my kind of guy. Doesn't listen well and lost touch with reality, most likely years ago. Do I give a fuck about his money? Again, no. If you have a face like that, you better have a little 'dosh', or a fuckload of hand gel.

    This thread was fun. I hope everyone stays safe and sane. Everything's gone cray cray. Don't waste ammo, and shoot straight. It's probably gonna get crazier. My best wishes to all, except Garth. Peace out.

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