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    Vintage ABR1

    Hi

    I would like to know if someone can tell me what is this ABR1 ? The saddles looks not original to me.
    This ABR1 is on my original 58 LP that I bought last year. I don't think it is original to the guitar.

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    Re: Vintage ABR1

    It has holes for the retaining wire, so it is well after 1958.
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    Re: Vintage ABR1

    Thanks Tom

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    Re: Vintage ABR1

    Looks reissue to me. Lines/edges are way too clean.

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    Re: Vintage ABR1

    Four photos of a nickel-plated, Gibson Historic ABR-1, Les Paul bridge. The bridge saddles, set screws, and retainer wire are not shown.

    The OPs "vintage ABR1" has a distinct hallmark on the bottom immediately after the raised "GIBSON ABR-1". Contrast that with my photos of a Gibson Historic ABR-1. There is no hallmark after "GIBSON ABR-1" on the recent Gibson Historic bridge.










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    Re: Vintage ABR1

    Id keep it and put a wire on it. I hate when I restring and they fall out. Intonating can be a bitch. Hold the saddle while you try to lengthen or shorten it.

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    Re: Vintage ABR1

    The modern ABR-1s tend to sink(squash down) so my guitar tech says(can happen after a few years or after 10 years or so).
    He says because they're made of zinc they do this and it causes havoc with intonation etc.
    I don't know what the old vintage '50s ones are made of.

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    Re: Vintage ABR1

    Quote Originally Posted by goldtop0 View Post
    The modern ABR-1s tend to sink(squash down) so my guitar tech says(can happen after a few years or after 10 years or so).
    He says because they're made of zinc they do this and it causes havoc with intonation etc.
    I don't know what the old vintage '50s ones are made of.
    I don't know what the old ones were made of either but the ABR1 bridge on the 1960 burst that I used to own was collapsed like this when I got it. The guy I used then to service my guitars put it in a press to get it back into shape. I do recall that the bridge saddles were brass though.

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    Re: Vintage ABR1

    Quote Originally Posted by goldtop0 View Post
    I don't know what the old vintage '50s ones are made of.
    They are made of Zamak... a zinc/aluminum/magnesium/copper (Kupfer in German) alloy. There are several different recipes, the 50s bridges used the softest one, which caused quite a few bridges to collapse, hence the use of more solid (tone sucking) materials. Since Zamak is patented it may (or may not) cost Gibson a fair penny to use it... no doubt another board vote to use something less, er, just less. I don't think any bridge makers are currently using the correct Zamak formula (again, probably due to its softness) and until there is we are at the mercy of the various available alternatives. For better or worse...

    I prefer the current Faber offerings myself and think they come closest in tone (albeit made of a different alloy) to what I'm looking for.
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    Re: Vintage ABR1

    Quote Originally Posted by duaneflowers View Post
    They are made of Zamak... a zinc/aluminum/magnesium/copper (Kupfer in German) alloy. There are several different recipes, the 50s bridges used the softest one, which caused quite a few bridges to collapse, hence the use of more solid (tone sucking) materials.
    Thanks for the info.
    Love the 'tone sucking' bit

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