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    2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Anyone know when these will be available and if they can be MTM?

    from the Gibson site..

    "The Sweet Sound of '64
    The Historic Reissue ES-335 is back and better than ever thanks to a year of studying, scanning, and listening to original examples. The expert craftspeople at Gibson Custom Shop have rendered every contour, profile, inlay and color of the priceless vintage models in magnificent detail. The result is a playing and ownership experience that will keep you coming back for more. The 1964 Reissue models utilize sharp horn cutaways, medium C-shape neck profiles scanned from originals, small block inlays and vintage-replica parts."

    Would like to see a side by side comparison of the Memphis ones and the new Nashville ones.. what they 'scanned' differently this time and some close ups ...
    at $5200.00 and not being able to play one before you order it, it would be nice to have more info .. especially as I have been waiting to see these to decide if I will pop for one..
    Any info appreciated..

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Do any dealers have them in-stock? I'm interested. I have a 2014 that was suppose to be the "most accurate" versions made(no tube Truss Rod, Hide Glue used for the fingerboard & Neck joint/fingerboard,cedar rim linings & weighed Maple center block..).. I'd love to see how they stack up.
    Thanks!

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    any dealers out there care to give an estimate ?

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Im interested in these ones too. I hope they will lower the neck angle, cause it was too high and historically uncorrect on Memphis models.
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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by garywright View Post
    any dealers out there care to give an estimate ?
    testicles 1-2 ..mic check ..is this thing on ?

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Why didnt they just use the templates from all those laser scrutinized measurements they made for the Clapton Crossroads 64? They said it was painstakingly recreated from the original. so, why not just make those with all the Cream tidbits left off? The basic guitar they made was spot on!
    Which also makes you scratch your head as to why they just didnt make all 335's from those templates after they released the copy? They should have just applied those designs to all models across the board from that time on. Do you know how many more 335's they would have sold by now? Instead, they went back to the cheaper less accurate builds..'
    Cant quite understand why they would intentionally decide to opt for a less accurate reissue when they could have sold the better model... then spend the next 15 years advertising that every years memphis models since are the closest they have made to the original. Just makes absolutely no sense..

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    valid points.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by Melodyman View Post
    Why didnt they just use the templates from all those laser scrutinized measurements they made for the Clapton Crossroads 64? They said it was painstakingly recreated from the original. so, why not just make those with all the Cream tidbits left off? The basic guitar they made was spot on!
    Which also makes you scratch your head as to why they just didnt make all 335's from those templates after they released the copy? They should have just applied those designs to all models across the board from that time on. Do you know how many more 335's they would have sold by now? Instead, they went back to the cheaper less accurate builds..'
    Cant quite understand why they would intentionally decide to opt for a less accurate reissue when they could have sold the better model... then spend the next 15 years advertising that every years memphis models since are the closest they have made to the original. Just makes absolutely no sense..
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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    The Clapton bodies were all made in Japan by Terada because Gibson didnít have the right shoes or forms but Terada did as they were used for the Epiphone Elites/Elitists.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    I doubt they do now either ..but Iíll gladly be wrong

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by Melodyman View Post
    Why didnt they just use the templates from all those laser scrutinized measurements they made for the Clapton Crossroads 64? They said it was painstakingly recreated from the original. so, why not just make those with all the Cream tidbits left off? The basic guitar they made was spot on!
    Which also makes you scratch your head as to why they just didnt make all 335's from those templates after they released the copy? They should have just applied those designs to all models across the board from that time on. Do you know how many more 335's they would have sold by now? Instead, they went back to the cheaper less accurate builds..'
    Cant quite understand why they would intentionally decide to opt for a less accurate reissue when they could have sold the better model... then spend the next 15 years advertising that every years memphis models since are the closest they have made to the original. Just makes absolutely no sense..
    For all those scrutinized measurement they did not do a good job of recreating the Clapton 335. If you look at the RI next to EC's a lot of the hardware placement is off, the pickguard is off etc. Also, it's hard to tell fm most photos but the top on Clapton's is two piece. Doesn't mean it's not a great guitar, the ones I've played have been great.
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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    The other one from NAMM I held is in stock at Rainbow Guitars, I always wondered where the second one went. Good lord, this thing is beautiful, and I don’t think it will last long!

    Gibson Custom Shop 1964 ES-335 Reissue VOS 60s Cherry Namm Show Guitar
    https://reverb.com/item/33027263-gib...ntent=33027263
    Last edited by Mr. Legit; 03-28-20 at 12:48 AM.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    The Clapton bodies were all made in Japan by Terada because Gibson didnít have the right shoes or forms but Terada did as they were used for the Epiphone Elites/Elitists.

    i wasn't gonna say anything, hahahahaha!!!!!!
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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Daveís just got possibly the first sunburst Ď64 Reissue!

    https://davesguitar.com/products/gib...vintage-burst/

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Legit View Post
    Daveís just got possibly the first sunburst Ď64 Reissue!

    https://davesguitar.com/products/gib...vintage-burst/
    Errr .who shot that top ?

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Legit View Post
    The other one from NAMM I held is in stock at Rainbow Guitars, I always wondered where the second one went. Good lord, this thing is beautiful, and I don’t think it will last long!

    Gibson Custom Shop 1964 ES-335 Reissue VOS 60s Cherry Namm Show Guitar
    https://reverb.com/item/33027263-gib...ntent=33027263
    I requested pix..this guitar sold Saturday ..so which one you SOBs got it

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..Clapton bodies were all made in Japan by Terada because

    Hhuh.. Epi - Pen pls.. LOL

    Clapton bodies were all made in Japan by Terada because Gibson didnít have the right shoes or forms but Terada did as they were used for the Epiphone Elites/Elitists.

    Chasing a dream,, lmao

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Epi Elitist shape:



    Real:



    Reissue:




    Eh, lotsa rabble. I wonder what the body thickness is, my '64 is pretty stout though I've not measured it I'd say it's a hair fatter than other ES 335's.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    The Clapton bodies were all made in Japan by Terada because Gibson didnít have the right shoes or forms but Terada did as they were used for the Epiphone Elites/Elitists.
    Technically the wood laminates were pressed in Japan but the bodies were otherwise assembled in the Nashville CS. What I was told anyway.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    Technically the wood laminates were pressed in Japan but the bodies were otherwise assembled in the Nashville CS. What I was told anyway.

    I owned one of those "revolution" casinos for a while. After it was gone when I hit a rough patch I learned on this forum that it was an MIJ collaboration thing after thinking it was a custom shop guitar.

    That guitar was ridiculously accurate. So much so that when I went shopping to replace the chrome P90 covers with black plastic (preference) not even "historic" covers fit the neck pickup because they were too tall for the shallow neck set. When I thought about it, then check'd out a period correct Casino I saw they were spot on as was the neck carve, binding width, shallow fret profile, etc etc etc.

    If the Clapton was half as good it was probably a hell of a run.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    I knew that cherry red one wouldn’t last long. From the comparison photos above it looks like the Reissue is much better than the Epiphone as it should be in my opinion. It could be the angle of the photo that is making waist on the Reissue look different from the OG one, and when I get mine I’ll compare it to a couple vintage ‘64’s. With the halt at the factory because of COVID it looks like the guitars we see on the market will be the last for awhile.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    With all the technology, how can they still not get the shape correct?
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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Originals all vary a little bit. And they're reissues, not replicas.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    From the first post in this thread

    "The expert craftspeople at Gibson Custom Shop have rendered every contour, profile, inlay and color of the priceless vintage models in magnificent detail"

    Also, why does the Dave's listing say "no wire abr1". These clearly would have been a wired abr1 by 64.
    At least they have the knobs looking better this time.



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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    Originals all vary a little bit.
    with none looking like current reissues

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    I'm seeing some subtle differences between the original and reissue in the "waist" and f-hole position, but otherwise it's clear to me what it is reissuing.

    I'm more concerned about the fretboard species of wood difference (EIRW vs. BRW).

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    The sunburst reissue pic also shows that they didnt get the cutaways in the right place either relative to where they join the neck and their shape seems off too. Dunno, will have to wait to see one up close, but from that picture, something seems amiss....

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    did Gibson mistakenly scan a 339 and upscale it ?

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by gio View Post
    Already sold..

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot Easton View Post
    i wasn't gonna say anything, hahahahaha!!!!!!
    E; how many years ago was this... like 16 or 17? 😳😁 I think everyone knows by now.
    from what I know, the bodies were built totally out except for paint, then shipped to Nashville, neck fitted to them and then finished.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    One of us(a right handed guy) has to buy one of these and tell us what they think. My lefty wonít be ready until late this month or May! These are selling shortly after they become available!

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Legit View Post
    One of us(a right handed guy) has to buy one of these and tell us what they think. My lefty wonít be ready until late this month or May! These are selling shortly after they become available!
    Attn: Mike Slub ...Wildwood calling

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    I guess that the whole point is why even bother advertising that this latest 64 reissue is the most accurate reproduction to date when you can hold it next to a real 64 and immediately see that it isnt .. For $5200 I would expect it to be..And if we can see the differences, why cant they?

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Wildwood just got a Sunburst in!
    https://wildwoodguitars.com/product/.../?cat_id=21948

    I think they look very close, but the photos donít do it justice. I feel I need to see one in hand again to compare side by side.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Legit View Post
    Wildwood just got a Sunburst in!
    https://wildwoodguitars.com/product/.../?cat_id=21948

    I think they look very close, but the photos donít do it justice. I feel I need to see one in hand again to compare side by side.
    That one looks better than the last few images I saw. So much of these ear shapes are the angles so maybe it's not as bad as it seems.
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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    GuitarMikey you beat me to it, I was just about to say that. I think we all know the shapes of the vintage ones varied a little from guitar to guitar, maybe the specific one the Custom Shop copied looked that way. I was told at NAMM that they worked hard to get these right by scanning the bodies of vintage examples!

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Deytooker I borrowed that photo you posted, and I apologize for that. If you look at the comparisons below the Wildwood looks nearly dead right to the cherry one below from GuitarPoint.

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    it woulda been real cool if they made the pickguard exact with the bridge pup gap and the larger neck point connection ...but that’s minor and being nitpicky ...the pic of the one from Wildwood has a really nice looking sunburst and overall looks pretty good ..I’d like to hold one in person

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    Re: 2020 64 reissue ES 335's..

    Quote Originally Posted by garywright View Post
    it woulda been real cool if they made the pickguard exact with the bridge pup gap and the larger neck point connection ...but thatís minor and being nitpicky ...the pic of the one from Wildwood has a really nice looking sunburst and overall looks pretty good ..Iíd like to hold one in person
    Exactly, I have parts saved up to swap on mine when I get it. The size of the pickguard is wrong and the position is wrong. Even on the Reissue LPís they get the position wrong from time to time. You right handed guys are so fortunate, I would have bought that cherry NAMM one on the spot.

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