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    1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    The serial number is 512XXX. 9.5lbs.
    The very first lot of reissued Les Paul Customs has some specific character such as...

    1. Factory issued Grover machine heads
    2. Wrong placed strap buttons
    3. VERY huge neck heal
    4. Original CRL 1960 43week pots (1346043)

    In year 1968, Gibson seemed to do different process every day...
    Last edited by imoemon; 04-18-20 at 04:49 AM.

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    I consider this site the best for late 60's info. http://www.latesixtieslespauls.com/
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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Quote Originally Posted by Triplet View Post
    I consider this site the best for late 60's info. http://www.latesixtieslespauls.com/
    Of course I know this great site. However, there are still many mysterious points in ’68~’69 guitar...

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Great Guitar! Thanks for posting! Moonweasel checks in from time to time, he must be busy. But I'm sure he will be quite interested in your example!

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Maybe I'm dense but why would a guitar built in 1968 have pots that date to 1960? Doesn't seem to add up to me.

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Quote Originally Posted by fender69 View Post
    Maybe I'm dense but why would a guitar built in 1968 have pots that date to 1960? Doesn't seem to add up to me.
    Agreed

    Please show photos of those pot codes.
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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Agreed

    Please show photos of those pot codes.
    If you enlarge the image, you should be able to read the code.
    Others cannot be read unless they are removed.
    Last edited by imoemon; 04-18-20 at 04:51 AM.

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Quote Originally Posted by imoemon View Post
    Thank you for reply.
    If you enlarge the image, you should be able to read the code.
    I have no idea how to do that.
    It's not really important, I just thought you could do that easily.
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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...



    looks like Centralab '60

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Okay let's start with the acronyms.....

    Maybe you can help.....what does CRL stand for? And....what does POT stand for?

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    IMO Centarlab , potentiometers
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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    I don't know how, but I believe that for some reason, the leftover ‘60~’61 CRL pots was used for Les paul’s reissue in early ‘68.

    I imagine what happened at the Kalamazoo factory in 1968.
    And it's so much fun...
    Please let me know if you have any information.
    Last edited by imoemon; 04-18-20 at 04:52 AM.

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Thanks Wilko and imoemon for the larger photos.
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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Very interesting! I’ve had two ‘68 Goldtops with ‘67 pots and red ‘chicklet’ caps, as well as a super early 8.6lbs ‘68 LPC with ‘61 Centralab pots, but the neck heel and tenon shape/length in the OP images is bizarre! That heel looks even bigger than the ‘72 Alnico RI Custom, and is highly anomalous and would strongly indicate a reneck under normal circumstances

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    About five years ago, I checked a ’68 LPC with exactly the same specifications.
    Then I kept looking for a ’68 LPC with the same specifications…
    Last edited by imoemon; 04-18-20 at 04:46 AM.

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Amazing! This really fascinates me as I’ve had LPC’s earlier than 51XXXX serial which didn’t have that huge heel Also it’s like no other Les Paul heel ever seen bar the later ‘72 Alnico ‘54 RI’, and nothing like the same era Goldtop heel...how strange!

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jumping@Shadows View Post
    Amazing! This really fascinates me as I’ve had LPC’s earlier than 51XXXX serial which didn’t have that huge heel Also it’s like no other Les Paul heel ever seen bar the later ‘72 Alnico ‘54 RI’, and nothing like the same era Goldtop heel...how strange!
    I've seen some early serial ’68 Goldtops.
    They had a crown inlay on the headstock.
    Others did not have a “Les Paul Model” silkscreenlogo. (Instead, it had a “Les Paul” Trussrodcover)
    But they were not huge heels.
    Last edited by imoemon; 04-18-20 at 04:44 AM.

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Very nice LPC thank you for sharing !
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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Very cool!

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    I've seen the huge heel only on customs. Of course, the custom and standard got different necks. Maybe they were assigned to different carvers?

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko View Post
    I've seen the huge heel only on customs. Of course, the custom and standard got different necks. Maybe they were assigned to different carvers?
    I had a 1968 goldtop standard with the crown inlay and the heel on it was huge. The neck was a “baseball bat”profile as some of those went out. But the pots were dated from the 52nd week of 68 and it looked like the solder was untouched. That is an anomaly in itself. But as one of the older Gibson employees stated before that several employees sanded the necks individually and each had their own finalized touch. He could tell who had sanded and profiled each neck. I sent Stephen a couple pics of that guitar a while ago and he also exclaimed that it had a large heel. Almost like a 50s style. Also on his website there is one of the earliest shipped Standards that went overseas. It still has the large heel but the neck was unfortunately sanded down so no telling what the exact measurements were.

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    Quote Originally Posted by lhric View Post
    I had a 1968 goldtop standard with the crown inlay and the heel on it was huge. The neck was a “baseball bat”profile as some of those went out. But the pots were dated from the 52nd week of 68 and it looked like the solder was untouched. That is an anomaly in itself. But as one of the older Gibson employees stated before that several employees sanded the necks individually and each had their own finalized touch. He could tell who had sanded and profiled each neck. I sent Stephen a couple pics of that guitar a while ago and he also exclaimed that it had a large heel. Almost like a 50s style. Also on his website there is one of the earliest shipped Standards that went overseas. It still has the large heel but the neck was unfortunately sanded down so no telling what the exact measurements were.
    The '68GT with crown inray I have seen did not have a huge heel. The neck shape was not so thick.
    I think that the guitar of 1968 has a considerable individual difference in the neck shape...
    The 1968LPC & GT has really various specifications...It is very interesting!
    Last edited by imoemon; 04-18-20 at 04:45 AM.

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    Re: 1968 Les Paul Custom with the earliest specifications...

    The "get Yer Yayas Out" "burst" was a converted/veneer crown inlay 1968 and the heel was a regular 68 square-ish heel, not real big. Looked pretty 68.

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