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    R8/R9 price difference

    I'm in the market for a '19 or '20 cs. Was wondering why there such a substantial difference in price between R8 and R9?
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    There’s a premium for the flame top on the R9.
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Originally - the R9s were the ones with flame top and the R8s with plain top and R7 GTs were less expensive. As time has gone on I think as a general rule that could still be true - but there have been various examples of R8 having tops that rival the R9s. I also think the R9 neck size I more highly sought after. Have had both over the years - and as always it’s about each instrument - flame does not not always equal the best sounding playing guitar but when they do come together it’s pretty awesome. Good Luck.
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    The only real reason is because Gibson can and people pay it. 1959 was thee year, so they charge more for reissues with 9 serial numbers.
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    All the wood, not just tops. R9's get top pick of available wood and each is spec'd for figure and weight. On average any year R9 has higher quality top and lighter weight mahogany than R8 from same year. Most R8's have larger necks. Biggest $$ difference is between plaintop R8 and highly figured R9. Highly figured used R8's can sell as much as some R9's.

    If you've shopped them you must have noticed the diff.
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Plains View Post
    The only real reason is because Gibson can and people pay it. 1959 was thee year, so they charge more for reissues with 9 serial numbers.
    Really. Is that the only difference, Tim?
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    I sold a 2018 R9 (avatar) last year for 4k flat with a nice flame.

    Like Al said, some of those R8's can cost just as much. The big difference in $ you're seeing is between R8 Plains and R9 Flames.
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Like others have said, you are paying a premium on the R9 and R0 for the more figured tops and lighter mahogany used for the body. However, I believe it’s mostly the top. For instance an R0/G0 (Guitar Center exclusive R0) is priced similar to an R8. They have lightly figured tops and in some years you could also find plain tops both akin to R8s. Yet the weight on those R0/G0 seem to be in the same range as regular R0s.

    Sorry to switch gears to R0s. I just thought that the G0 and regular R0 could used to shed some light on the price difference between R8 and R9 or R0.

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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Really. Is that the only difference, Tim?
    Yes, Al. Gibson started offering flame top R8s around 2010, then shaved the necks down 2013/onwards blurring the line between R8s and R9s. There really is no difference in many R8s aside from maybe a few ounces.

    Case in point. A 2016 R8 I owned. 8.7 lbs, R9 neck, R9 worthy top, all without the R9 price. There are many R8s out there just like this.

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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    I bought my first R8 plain top 1998 .
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    The last couple years of R8s also have tall and narrow frets instead of the usual medium jumbos as well right? While that obviously does not justify the price difference, if the OP is looking to buy a new model R8, its a playability issue that may affect his choice.

    To be honest, I'm kinda frustrated with the Custom Shop's obsession with flame in recent years. Personally, I prefer plaintops or light figuring as seen on a lot of vintage tops. All of the recent so-called "plaintop" R8s that come up on Reverb or in-store near me lately seem to have as much figure as an average vintage Burst and the R9s typically have perfectly bookmatched monster tops. Great for the flame hunters, but not so much for those of us who like more subtle or uneven tops. I'd love for Gibson to just offer R8s, R9s, R0s all in an assortment of tops (perhaps with a reduced price for the plainer and/or mismatched ones). They could save a lot of quality wood that doesn't meet their aesthetic requirements that way.

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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    All the wood, not just tops. R9's get top pick of available wood and each is spec'd for figure and weight. On average any year R9 has higher quality top and lighter weight mahogany than R8 from same year. Most R8's have larger necks. Biggest $$ difference is between plaintop R8 and highly figured R9. Highly figured used R8's can sell as much as some R9's.

    If you've shopped them you must have noticed the diff.
    Thanks Al, was not aware of the wood differences.
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Plains View Post
    Yes, Al. Gibson started offering flame top R8s around 2010, then shaved the necks down 2013/onwards blurring the line between R8s and R9s. There really is no difference in many R8s aside from maybe a few ounces.

    Case in point. A 2016 R8 I owned. 8.7 lbs, R9 neck, R9 worthy top, all without the R9 price. There are many R8s out there just like this.

    http://imgur.com/a/bV3GF3E
    Actually Tim, Flametop R8's were commonly available in late 90's, [those beautiful Butterscotch ones], and on and off from 2001 on. It is only in comparison of same year models that the difference becomes apparent and only on average as one can find spectacular R8's and Meh ho hum looking R9's.

    Pre 2013 the difference was pretty clear, regardless how flamey the R8's ran heavy on average with huge necks, [which I like], and finish choices. Things changed in 2013.

    I own a R9 and a R8 from '13 an spec'd a left hand 2014 Made to Measure R8 for a friend.
    My '13 R8 is a beautiful figured Eastern Rock Maple top sold as a plain maple model. I love it, looooooved the price and bought it because it plays and sounds the way I like.

    It is not the same as my R9. It is heavier. Though reduced from previous years, the neck is larger than the R9, but beautifully profiled with a comfortable carve. Beautiful as it is, the maple top isn't near the quality of the R9. Fingerboards on 8's are not as dark, [on average], yet are high quality EI Rosewood and I find the grainy vivid striped rosewood lovely. But as nice as they are, there are clear wood quality and spec differences. Far more than an 8 or a 9.

    The 2014 M2M R8 turned out great, but I could only choose from wood preselected as R8 grade. I chose well, the guitar equals some R9's and it cost almost as much.

    New, it pays to shop. Being aware of the difference for yom helps for spec. Appearance is a personal call and spectacular R8's sometimes show up. Most dealers know and are less willing to deal on them. Me? I prefer mild figure and not into vivid stripes. I like some of the subtle figure strong color R8's alot. They aren't common enough as everything is stripe, stripe, stripe.
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    All the wood, not just tops. R9's get top pick of available wood and each is spec'd for figure and weight. On average any year R9 has higher quality top and lighter weight mahogany than R8 from same year. Most R8's have larger necks. Biggest $$ difference is between plaintop R8 and highly figured R9. Highly figured used R8's can sell as much as some R9's.

    If you've shopped them you must have noticed the diff.
    Off topic, but how would you compare an R7s neck to an R8 and R9?

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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Gress View Post
    Off topic, but how would you compare an R7s neck to an R8 and R9?
    I'm interested in this answer as well. Recently got an R7 and I'm amazed by how thin the neck feels. From what I have read I expected something FAT. I can't imagine playing a thinner neck to be honest.

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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Quote Originally Posted by doctorvmusic View Post
    I'm interested in this answer as well. Recently got an R7 and I'm amazed by how thin the neck feels. From what I have read I expected something FAT. I can't imagine playing a thinner neck to be honest.
    My 335 is quite thin, while my 63 Melody Maker has a wonderful neck. My 2010 R7 feels like the MM but with a bit more shoulder. Did necks get fat in 58 and then lose weight in 59? I had a CS 58 TV Model which was the largest neck of my guitars, really big.

    So are R7s and R9 necks similar with 58s being the outlier?

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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Thanks much for all responses. I actually prefer the lowly plain top over the flame tops .With that said, I am more concerned with tone and playability. Thanks again for the insights.
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Gress View Post
    Off topic, but how would you compare an R7s neck to an R8 and R9?
    Most I tried were identical to R8 though quite a few more like a R9. Some I tried from early/mid 2000's were huge!! It really depends on yom. There were some 60 slim profile necks on some that may have been a FSR Dealer run but they are not common.

    Mostly it seems that it represents some popular vintage mythos held by vintage worshipping public with zero vintage experience. That is, the unknowing expectation of what a vintage neck profile is. They read a book, think they know and Gibson panders to it. "Early 50's were huge, 58's huge, 59 big and 60 slim." That's popular belief.

    Most reissue necks are wrong. Too big, on average. Just what was expected. Vintage necks show a range too, even in the same year and sometimes big differences year to year. So you can't fault Gibson. Still, ......?
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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    Quote Originally Posted by mach1 View Post
    Thanks much for all responses. I actually prefer the lowly plain top over the flame tops .With that said, I am more concerned with tone and playability. Thanks again for the insights.
    There are some who say that plaintops sound better than flametops actually. The theory goes that figuring reduces the hardness/stiffness of wood (which is why flame or birdseye maple necks are softer and less stable). In contrast, plaintops are harder and allegedly resonate better. Some claim that plaintops sound woodier as a result.

    Also, in case it got buried in all of the discussion about figuring, if playability is your concern, you should make sure you play a 2019 or 2020 R8 before you buy. They changed them recently to have narrow/tall frets instead of the more coveted medium jumbos found on older R8s and all R9s and R0s. I haven't played the historic tall/narrow frets, but you may have a distinct preference.

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    Re: R8/R9 price difference

    At this point it's getting harder and harder to generalize what Reissue will have what feature.

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    R8 with Nice Top, V2 60s Neck.....

    Brand Gibson Custom Shop
    Model Wildwood Spec 1958 Les Paul Standard
    Finish Color Wildwood Burst
    Finish Type Nitrocellulose Lacquer
    Weight 8.42 lbs.
    Top Wood Carved Maple attached with Hot Hide Glue
    Body Wood Solid Non-Weight Relieved Mahogany
    Neck Wood 1-Piece Mahogany Neck
    Neck Shape Slim '60s-Inspired V2 Rounded Profile
    Neck Dimensions .810 1st - .950 12th

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