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    The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    As we approach a new decade, Joe and I have obtained THE turd of the past decade (if not the entire 21st century) for our collection. It's a 59 burst that had been refinned Candy Apple Red decades ago. How do we know its a burst? First of all, it has factory large frets. Secondly, look at the original paint in the pickup cavities. Thirdly, the location of the Gibson logo. Check out the flamey center seam top. Finally, the pots are dated the 7th week of 1959. Collectively...what do all of these add unmistakenly up to? A 1959 burst!

    Check out the flame. It's identical to those guitars, including Nicky and Snakebite, in the 9 19xx serial number range.

    Enjoy the pics. We'll keep you posted, every step of the way, with the restoration project.

















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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    IMO with regard to the continuum of vintage guitar "turdness", this guitar doesn't really qualify as "the ultimate turd". A turd for sure, however, several other turd guitars in your collection deserve that distinction. For example your 1959 Les Paul double-cut Junior in TV yellow comes to mind. That guitar requires the administration of a tetanus shot before opening the case. That's an order of magnitude more turdley than this guitar!
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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Nice score...!!

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Wow that's cool but when the restoration is done I'd think this one will no longer qualify for turddom.

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    It's gonna be killer.

    I was able to take a look at it in person a couple of weeks ago. It looks right to me too and it seems very lightweight. The headstock break could use a more competent repair, but I'm sure you guys will do right by this guitar. Great save!
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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Hey Guys,
    Well, it all started with a frozen meatball re-heated with marginally decent pasta sauce a few weeks ago at Barones' Italian Restaurant in Van Nuys CA. I was attending our holiday gathering of like minded guitar nerds in Los Angeles for our last dinner of the year. My friend David, came in with the Red Thing that he posted a month before and my radar immediately went off after spotting that neck tenon. At first without seeing any of the parts and David saying he thought the PAFs were double whites ( they are not, double blacks) I said we might have a double 0 on our hands. Its got a big-ish neck. I spoke to David about what the owner wanted to do with it. He said he wanted it to be restored to its original sunburst. He bought it in 1963 for $100 stripped it and painted it Candy Apple Red about 5 years later. He came into David's shop armed with a Sweetwater catalog and a circled 2019 Les Paul Standard in sunburst " This is what it looked like before I stripped it". I made David an offer that night and asked to contact the owner. The next day I looked at the parts which are all correct ( rings, Double black PAFs, harness (7th week of 59 and the smoking gun along with the factory large frets, until the top was stripped) wiring , knobs ect. My offer was accepted (he did well... and nobody got ripped off) and the guitar was off to Kim at Historic Makeovers the next day. Two days later Kim sent me a picture of a center seam. ( thank God!) and on Monday his team stripped it. Its Carmelita, Nicky, Snakebite wood for sure. Next step with a big help from JJ Blair with an original pick guard and backplates (only things that were missing) the guitar should be on the road this spring.

    I have to admit, I have bought 7 burst and a mint Flying V this year..( I know...I need help) This is the coolest of 2019 because of what a long shot it was. Its a 1959 burst that's been red for a very long time. They are still out there folks...

    Cheers and happy new year!!
    Joe B

    PS I just realized this my 10th year on this forum!!
    Last edited by JBLPplayer; 12-31-19 at 06:10 PM.

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Great story. Can't wait to see what Kim does with it. I'm sure it'll be awesome

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    What a great guitar!!
    Pauls to the walls!

    Hüter der Flammen!

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Is it safe to assume no traces of the original serial number remain under the red finish? A bit premature. ....but if that's the case, it is inevitable suggestions for a new serial number will get kicked around. Any thoughts on that?
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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    The top reminds of 9 1946 with the bald spot lack of flame almost in the same area

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Thanks for sharing Joe - congrats guys!

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Very nice story Joe glad to see you have this guitar it fell into a good home !!!
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Very cool thread, good to see Joe and CD getting this puppy back up and running.
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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Cool guitar and provenance! It should be fun to see what Kim does with it? Color in mind?

    If it's a turd now, my guess is that title will soon fade. Maybe "Willie", since it's soon to be on the road again! Congrats guys!
    Game on!

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    My guess is it will be sprayed to look like a well faded example from the 9 19xx serial number range.

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Fantastic! Congrats guys.

    Come on Kim, please get up (it's New years day) and get back to work...
    Last edited by fernieite; 01-06-20 at 04:07 PM.

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Brilliant.

    I absolutely adore the 9 19xx's

    Subscribed to the renovation.

    Here's 9 1970.



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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Dang !!!! ..
    Music for me.

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    What a story!
    That guitar is gonna be killer.

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    A good find you guys and a bigish neck to boot.............look forward to the restoration pics

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Forgive me if this is a stupid question...but why is there gold under the red?

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Quote Originally Posted by JBLPplayer View Post
    Hey Guys,
    Well, it all started with a frozen meatball re-heated with marginally decent pasta sauce a few weeks ago at Barones' Italian Restaurant in Van Nuys CA. I was attending our holiday gathering of like minded guitar nerds in Los Angeles for our last dinner of the year. My friend David, came in with the Red Thing that he posted a month before and my radar immediately went off after spotting that neck tenon. At first without seeing any of the parts and David saying he thought the PAFs were double whites ( they are not, double blacks) I said we might have a double 0 on our hands. Its got a big-ish neck. I spoke to David about what the owner wanted to do with it. He said he wanted it to be restored to its original sunburst. He bought it in 1963 for $100 stripped it and painted it Candy Apple Red about 5 years later. He came into David's shop armed with a Sweetwater catalog and a circled 2019 Les Paul Standard in sunburst " This is what it looked like before I stripped it". I made David an offer that night and asked to contact the owner. The next day I looked at the parts which are all correct ( rings, Double black PAFs, harness (7th week of 59 and the smoking gun along with the factory large frets, until the top was stripped) wiring , knobs ect. My offer was accepted (he did well... and nobody got ripped off) and the guitar was off to Kim at Historic Makeovers the next day. Two days later Kim sent me a picture of a center seam. ( thank God!) and on Monday his team stripped it. Its Carmelita, Nicky, Snakebite wood for sure. Next step with a big help from JJ Blair with an original pick guard and backplates (only things that were missing) the guitar should be on the road this spring.

    I have to admit, I have bought 7 burst and a mint Flying V this year..( I know...I need help) This is the coolest of 2019 because of what a long shot it was. Its a 1959 burst that's been red for a very long time. They are still out there folks...

    Cheers and happy new year!!
    Joe B

    PS I just realized this my 10th year on this forum!!
    I guess I need to up my game on a restoration project. Jeesh, incert large boot to rear end. 🤣🤣Best of luck with restoration.
    Top carves are sexy

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Quote Originally Posted by jalevinemd View Post
    Forgive me if this is a stupid question...but why is there gold under the red?
    Metallic finishes like Candy Apple Red have a metallic undercoat.
    Pauls to the walls!

    Hüter der Flammen!

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Metallic finishes like Candy Apple Red have a metallic undercoat.

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Quality content for sure I’ll be watching this thread closely for further restoration happy new year!
    9 2020 lol
    Last edited by bobbradley; 01-02-20 at 02:56 PM.

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    A very cool way to end 2019 and start 2020 for sure!
    I like CAR a lot, but I have to say it would be hard to argue not to make this nice wood visible again

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Wow!? NICE SCORE!! And... Joe, you might have a problem, but... it's a problem I'm sure 99.9% of this forum would love to have!!
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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Man...., I knew I was going to miss something good not being able to attend the HGC dinner.. I drove up to Vancouver, Washington to give my younger daughter my 2014 Honda Crosstour. She has a 2007 Honda Element that needs about $3k worth of work, so I figured she’d rather have the 2014 Crosstour that only has 70,000 miles on it and needs absolutely nothing as I’ve kept it in top shape... was the only week I could do it... looks like a nice guitar and I know Kim will make it nice!

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    That guitar is no turd. It is more of a gold nugget! I look forward to seeing this beauty restored to its former glory!

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Quote Originally Posted by JBLPplayer View Post
    My offer was accepted (he did well... and nobody got ripped off)
    Joe B
    Class act as always - congrats on the new, soon not to be a "turd" and looking forward to the finished result.
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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    WHOA!!! That's no turd... When it's finished, we might need to schedule a road trip to Slub's sanctuary for test drive...

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    The Beast transforming into a beauty!











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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    That's a beauty, congrats Charlie and Joe!

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Looks beautiful great find Joe !!
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    That looks incredible! Pretty much exactly how I thought it'd be sprayed. Any comment on the top carve? Meaning was it buggered up at all with the last finish?

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    It was not.

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Is there a name yet?

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    I like:
    "Apple"
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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Kim working his magic!
    Game on!

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    Re: The ultimate turd for the JB/CD collection...a 59 burst!

    Quote Originally Posted by CDaughtry View Post
    The Beast transforming into a beauty!









    The colour is magnificent.

    Superb work.

    Bet you're both thrilled to bits with it.

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