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Gibson creates "Murphy Lab" / New Custom Shop head

El Gringo

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I am kind of surprised at the appointment of the new head of Gibson Custom comes from outside of the Gibson family ,I will wait to see before I rush to judgment . The Murphy Lab seems like a natural development and I cant wait to see how that develops in the coming new year . As we inch closer to Winter NAMM I am starting to get anxious/excited to see what the coming years offerings will be from Gibson Custom . So I guess I now know who will be signing the certificates !
 

BurstFan

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This is bad news!
Prices will be going beyond 10.000 USD.
Wait and see
 

Rich R

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Seems like a pretty natural corporate thing to me. Murphy and the CS have been joined at the hip for 20+ years now.

I expect Villanueva will be a much more exciting addition. Hard to argue that Gibson's new management is the same ol' same old. These guys understand exactly the treasure that they've been successful at getting ahold of.
 

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This is good news for Tom Murphy and good news for Gibson. I sure hope Gibson is able to seize this opportunity to "up the ante" with regard to building new guitars that rival the lauded vintage examples from 1952-1964. Note to Gibson...would you please return to sourcing and procuring your mahogany lumber from Central and South America (or at least in this hemisphere) If NASA can land and operate multiple autonomous rover vehicles on Mars, then establishing a reliable source for genuine Honduras Mahogany shouldn't be too difficult. See example below. :eek:la



And I hope this organizational change serves to reinvigorate a sagging electric guitar market. The music industry is in turmoil presently with very little light at the end of the tunnel.

Sadly, the electric guitar has lost much of the enchantment, allure, enticement it once held in the 20th century. I see very few young people today who are passionate about playing guitar or any musical instrument for that matter. Kids habituated to smartphones, SnapChat, Twitter, and Instagram expect instant gratification. Many lack the discipline and wherewithal to pick up and learn a musical instrument. And what's really bizarre is many young people view RAP as a valid musical idiom and art form. The electric guitar has clearly been dethroned and usurped by the wide assortment of digital facsimiles such as synthesizers, drum machines, auto-tune, click-tracks, and Pro-Tools/computers.

Lastly, perhaps the time has come for world environmental leaders to reexamine some of the onerous and ill-founded CITES restrictions that only create volumes of paperwork, with no tangible benefits for the endangered species. :dang
 

El Gringo

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This is good news for Tom Murphy and good news for Gibson. I sure hope Gibson is able to seize this opportunity to "up the ante" with regard to building new guitars that rival the lauded vintage examples from 1952-1964. Note to Gibson...would you please return to sourcing and procuring your mahogany lumber from Central and South America (or at least in this hemisphere) If NASA can land and operate multiple autonomous rover vehicles on Mars, then establishing a reliable source for genuine Honduras Mahogany shouldn't be too difficult. See example below. :eek:la



And I hope this organizational change serves to reinvigorate a sagging electric guitar market. The music industry is in turmoil presently with very little light at the end of the tunnel.

Sadly, the electric guitar has lost much of the enchantment, allure, enticement it once held in the 20th century. I see very few young people today who are passionate about playing guitar or any musical instrument for that matter. Kids habituated to smartphones, SnapChat, Twitter, and Instagram expect instant gratification. Many lack the discipline and wherewithal to pick up and learn a musical instrument. And what's really bizarre is many young people view RAP as a valid musical idiom and art form. The electric guitar has clearly been dethroned and usurped by the wide assortment of digital facsimiles such as synthesizers, drum machines, auto-tune, click-tracks, and Pro-Tools/computers.

Lastly, perhaps the time has come for world environmental leaders to reexamine some of the onerous and ill-founded CITES restrictions that only create volumes of paperwork, with no tangible benefits for the endangered species. :dang

Greetings , As far as the youth of today getting into playing an instrument in this age of instant gratification as you so eloquently and succinctly put it I feel it's all an uphill struggle and battle fought with so many challenges firstly to get them off there devices and Facebook and Twitter . If some how they could be challenged to open there minds a smidge and enticed somehow to WANT to LEARN an instrument our society would be enriched immensely ! Do I have any hope of that happening ? NO . This has to start in there earliest years of school , and that in and of itself if fought with perils of ever shrinking school budgets that slashes Arts programs first . I speak firsthand of music programs in public schools as I learned first to play the Violin , then the Cello , and finally the Electric Guitar ( in 9th grade Gibson Les Paul Custom Ebony ) and this has been a tremendous joyride for me ever since from over 43 years ago . Back on point , I look forward to Winter NAMM and all the exciting offerings to come in the coming new year and plan on buying another Gibson Custom Les Paul .
 

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Greetings , As far as the youth of today getting into playing an instrument in this age of instant gratification as you so eloquently and succinctly put it I feel it's all an uphill struggle and battle fought with so many challenges firstly to get them off there devices and Facebook and Twitter . If some how they could be challenged to open there minds a smidge and enticed somehow to WANT to LEARN an instrument our society would be enriched immensely ! Do I have any hope of that happening ? NO . This has to start in there earliest years of school , and that in and of itself if fought with perils of ever shrinking school budgets that slashes Arts programs first . I speak firsthand of music programs in public schools as I learned first to play the Violin , then the Cello , and finally the Electric Guitar ( in 9th grade Gibson Les Paul Custom Ebony ) and this has been a tremendous joyride for me ever since from over 43 years ago . Back on point , I look forward to Winter NAMM and all the exciting offerings to come in the coming new year and plan on buying another Gibson Custom Les Paul .

Your response was pretty much what I was thinking. I'd add that it would be no different if Gibson had been killing it with twice the quality and half the price. Gibson is neither the cause no the cure.
 

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Sorry for the cliche', but I see Gibson moving towards building an "ecosystem" of specialists to make their guitars better/more interesting etc.

The design license program with guys like Banker, the appointment of Tom Murphy, it shows that they are listening to what players want. I could see as a next move a PAF Pickup program, where they license and/or enlist some top boutique pickup makers, and have their PAF recreations fully endorsed by Gibson and factory-installed.
 

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I could see as a next move a PAF Pickup program, where they license and/or enlist some top boutique pickup makers, and have their PAF recreations fully endorsed by Gibson and factory-installed.
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Because northern hemisphere mahogany and $10,000 guitars are going to attract the youth market?

Despite, or in spite, of the middle-age guitar forum banter plenty of kids are playing guitar, some at a very high level with plenty of available resources to learn, socialize and grow.
 

El Gringo

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Your response was pretty much what I was thinking. I'd add that it would be no different if Gibson had been killing it with twice the quality and half the price. Gibson is neither the cause no the cure.

That is so true and as our generation ages , Gibson Customer base shrinks . Think about like this , who has the $ to purse these out of this world great guitars ? I will as long as I have my health and the funds I am on a mission to acquire as much gear as I can stuff into my home . I am really partial to Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul's ,which is no surprise to anyone and any shop who knows me .
 

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Greetings , As far as the youth of today getting into playing an instrument in this age of instant gratification as you so eloquently and succinctly put it I feel it's all an uphill struggle and battle fought with so many challenges firstly to get them off there devices and Facebook and Twitter . If some how they could be challenged to open there minds a smidge and enticed somehow to WANT to LEARN an instrument our society would be enriched immensely ! Do I have any hope of that happening ? NO . This has to start in there earliest years of school , and that in and of itself if fought with perils of ever shrinking school budgets that slashes Arts programs first . I speak firsthand of music programs in public schools as I learned first to play the Violin , then the Cello , and finally the Electric Guitar ( in 9th grade Gibson Les Paul Custom Ebony ) and this has been a tremendous joyride for me ever since from over 43 years ago . Back on point , I look forward to Winter NAMM and all the exciting offerings to come in the coming new year and plan on buying another Gibson Custom Les Paul .

I don't disagree with you, but in my opinion a balanced argument on the topic calls for an equal open mind on both sides: yes it would be great if the new generations saw the appeal and interest in learning a "real" instrument.
At the same time, it would be equally great if some of the more "old school" players, like the majority of the LPF readership, were open-minded enough to learn how to make music in Ableton, basic digital DJ skills etc.

I think it is easy to dismiss all the new technologies as "not real music", because they allow us to make "some" music by just pushing a few buttons. However, I do believe it takes a considerable amount of talent to get 500 people on the dancefloor, especially using musical tools that are accessible to anyone.

I met quite a few teenagers that can kick my a$$ on a guitar and lust over a Burst, and would love to meet a few accomplished players of a traditional instrument, who are also competent on things like sampling, beat slicing, DJing and working with Ableton etc.
 

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I don't disagree with you, but in my opinion a balanced argument on the topic calls for an equal open mind on both sides: yes it would be great if the new generations saw the appeal and interest in learning a "real" instrument.
At the same time, it would be equally great if some of the more "old school" players, like the majority of the LPF readership, were open-minded enough to learn how to make music in Ableton, basic digital DJ skills etc.

I think it is easy to dismiss all the new technologies as "not real music", because they allow us to make "some" music by just pushing a few buttons. However, I do believe it takes a considerable amount of talent to get 500 people on the dancefloor, especially using musical tools that are accessible to anyone.

I met quite a few teenagers that can kick my a$$ on a guitar and lust over a Burst, and would love to meet a few accomplished players of a traditional instrument, who are also competent on things like sampling, beat slicing, DJing and working with Ableton etc.

I just did a Google search on Ableton as I had never heard of it , and to me it is an artificial /synthetic tool , and thusly is not a challenge to me to make music which brings it full circle back to the point of creating music . Also not to pigeon hole myself into a certain genre but that is not my style or genre , which ranges from Classical Orchestra ,Opera , Rock, Blues, Jazz . ( it feels like I left something out ? )
 

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Gibson would get most bang for their buck buying Central American Mahogany. Even if it was qualitatively worse than the same specifies of mahogany gown in Fiji, you’ll get several folks on this forum who will swear they can hear where a piece of wood is grown and will undoubtedly slather a heap load of superlatives on their new truly True Historics.

This will undoubtedly cause the lemmings to become “Historic insecure” and rush out and buy one of these new truly True Historics. After spending a large sum on this new truly True Historic they will tweak and tweak their new purchase until it sounds almost as good as their old Historics and claim it’s better too. And so the feedback loop goes on. Gibson can make beaucoup dough just feeding off this neurosis without objectively improving anything. Lol.

Honestly anyone who thinks the thing that is stopping them from sounding more like Jimmy, Duane, Peter or Eric is where a piece of mahogany is grown, I wish you well, but you are like a driver so far back in the race you might actually think your ahead.



This is good news for Tom Murphy and good news for Gibson. I sure hope Gibson is able to seize this opportunity to "up the ante" with regard to building new guitars that rival the lauded vintage examples from 1952-1964. Note to Gibson...would you please return to sourcing and procuring your mahogany lumber from Central and South America (or at least in this hemisphere) If NASA can land and operate multiple autonomous rover vehicles on Mars, then establishing a reliable source for genuine Honduras Mahogany shouldn't be too difficult. See example below. :eek:la



And I hope this organizational change serves to reinvigorate a sagging electric guitar market. The music industry is in turmoil presently with very little light at the end of the tunnel.

Sadly, the electric guitar has lost much of the enchantment, allure, enticement it once held in the 20th century. I see very few young people today who are passionate about playing guitar or any musical instrument for that matter. Kids habituated to smartphones, SnapChat, Twitter, and Instagram expect instant gratification. Many lack the discipline and wherewithal to pick up and learn a musical instrument. And what's really bizarre is many young people view RAP as a valid musical idiom and art form. The electric guitar has clearly been dethroned and usurped by the wide assortment of digital facsimiles such as synthesizers, drum machines, auto-tune, click-tracks, and Pro-Tools/computers.

Lastly, perhaps the time has come for world environmental leaders to reexamine some of the onerous and ill-founded CITES restrictions that only create volumes of paperwork, with no tangible benefits for the endangered species. :dang
 

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I do not like the other forum but they do discuss this topic on a more realistic level.
 

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Because northern hemisphere mahogany and $10,000 guitars are going to attract the youth market?

Despite, or in spite, of the middle-age guitar forum banter plenty of kids are playing guitar, some at a very high level with plenty of available resources to learn, socialize and grow.

You are taking my remarks out of context and injecting emotion into a rational discussion regarding several guitar related topics.

1. First of all, I made no reference whatsoever regarding anyone, let alone "kids", buying $10,000 guitars! I didn't toss out that number! Furthermore, why should genuine mahogany cost any more than the yellow Fiji grown variety harvested from plantations located on the other side of the planet?

2. Secondly, I have two teenage boys who recently graduated from high school, and I can state unequivocally that very few, if any, boys and girls in their high school are: (a) taking up guitar; or (b) attend live concerts; or (c) listen to and/or buy guitar oriented music; or (d) even know who Jimmy Page is! Nearly all of the young kids listen to, and download obnoxious synthesized RAP with ear deafening bass drum boost.

3. Very clever cliche of your; i.e., "middle-age guitar forum banter". That may be your M.O. on the Les Paul Forum, but I don't come here to post "banter". :dang
 

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Gibson would get most bang for their buck buying Central American Mahogany. Even if it was qualitatively worse than the same specifies of mahogany gown in Fiji, you’ll get several folks on this forum who will swear they can hear where a piece of wood is grown and will undoubtedly slather a heap load of superlatives on their new truly True Historics.

This will undoubtedly cause the lemmings to become “Historic insecure” and rush out and buy one of these new truly True Historics. After spending a large sum on this new truly True Historic they will tweak and tweak their new purchase until it sounds almost as good as their old Historics and claim it’s better too. And so the feedback loop goes on. Gibson can make beaucoup dough just feeding off this neurosis without objectively improving anything. Lol.

Honestly anyone who thinks the thing that is stopping them from sounding more like Jimmy, Duane, Peter or Eric is where a piece of mahogany is grown, I wish you well, but you are like a driver so far back in the race you might actually think your ahead.

I'll take the lovely brownish red genuine Honduran Mahogany over the lightweight yellow "variety" grown on a South Pacific island any day of the week! You have a problem with that? :teeth
 

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I'll take the lovely brownish red genuine Honduran Mahogany over the lightweight yellow "variety" grown on a South Pacific island any day of the week! You have a problem with that? :teeth

And I’ll take beautiful lightweight reddish brown genuine mahogany from full size trees that were planted in rthe 1940s due to strategic reasons in Fiji over eco grown baby poo colored Mahogany from Central America.

But honestly I don’t pray to false Gods, a very talented luthier told me if the wood rings the note right the chances favor a great guitar, so frankly I don’t give a fvck where the genuine mahogany comes from as long as it rings out.

And to my point, if u or anyone else care to wager a bet: that you can hear from what region of the world a piece of mahogany is grown, I’m down with cash in hand, otherwise it’s a bunch of hot air. Spec fetishes are fine, but, I feel sorry for you if you feel there’s something missing from your current rig that will be ameliorated by from what side of the globe the mahogany is grown.
 
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