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    No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    I'm trying to find out what affect does a no-cutaway guitar have compared to a single cut. I don't know what types of no-cutaway guitars are out there, seems like there are some custom Les Pauls out there like that, but it seems to be rare. Would be good to hear a comparison.

    I've been researching the difference between single cut and double cut LPs and it seems that having that extra piece of wood to anchor the neck affects the tone, most say that you get more pronounced lows but to me it just sounds better all round.

    All of which leads me to this; why not have no cutaways at all! Suppose you had a single cut and a non cut Les Paul, both solid body with no chambering, everything else equal. What would the difference be?

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    No. They don't exist, you haven't seen some. Info on neck joint and tonal impressions are plentiful and there isn't any controversy. Come on, now.

    Tenon and neck stiffness as well as length beyond heel all have greater effect than number of cutaways. Case in point being 61/62 Melody Maker. They are identical, except the 62 is a singlecutaway body with a second cutaway added to make a double cutaway model. Otherwise identical.

    They sound the same.
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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Info on neck joint and tonal impressions are plentiful and there isn't any controversy. Come on, now.
    ?? Who said anything about controversy?

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Magic View Post
    ?? Who said anything about controversy?
    Ok, then just goofy speculation. But hey go get yerself a noncutaway Les Paul if you think your onto sumptin'. What research have you done? It needs to be done on models that are identical, in every way except cutaway.
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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    In my 40 + years of being a bedroom hack I yet to see a non cut Les Paul , so maybe Gibson made one not seeing one does not make it so .
    If such a thing was made i'm sure everyone on this board would love to see it . Some will beat their hairy chest and yell but not seeing one , well I never saw a hairless dog till I went to Mexico . Good luck on your hunt !
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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Closest to give you an idea maybe the B&G little sister non- cutaway guitar.
    A demo of the cutaway and non- cutaway on the bottom of this page:

    https://bngguitars.com/electric/litt...ter-crossroads
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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    If you think about it, it isn't cutaways, either 1 or 2 or none. A Flying V has no cut aways. SGs or double cut Jrs could have their cutaways chopped off and be no cutaway guitars.

    Cutaways function as to allow better string axcess or to balance the body on a strap. The way and manner the neck is attached is the critical factor. There have been some double cut 50's style Les Pauls made with a second cutaway in the upper bout. The neck joint/tenon remained the same, as did tone.

    A 50s style Standard with no cutaway would gain what? Crappy high register axcess for sure. A guitar with the shortest neck free of the heel now with no cutaway? Yep, great idea.

    Mainly though, I want to goad a low post newbee op with a thread that appears so much like the rash of such threads lately, to see if he/she replies, [ they did], and if a link would suddenly become embeded.

    Either way this is a fantasy thread. I don't believe the op has done any research as he claims or wants such a guitar. But hey, it ain't life and death and we are chewing the fat and I'm just calling it out, as I would if we were sittin' down drinkin' beers. I'm happy to refute/bolster/pishaw and discuss relevant points. Y'all can do the same.

    OP, if you're legit, WELCOME!! Stick around and if you can explain your research, please do. Have you seen a non cutaway LP, or know of any or are you just assuming they exist?
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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by ultra View Post
    is that real?

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MeHereNow View Post
    Closest to give you an idea maybe the B&G little sister non- cutaway guitar.
    A demo of the cutaway and non- cutaway on the bottom of this page:

    https://bngguitars.com/electric/litt...ter-crossroads
    Thanks, this is what I was after!

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by miczap View Post
    is that real?
    I'd like to know as well. It hurts my eyes in a way.
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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    For me it's a non starter and I would not be interested . I like having the single cut away Les Paul to gain access to the upper register of notes on the fretboard . Not to be sarcastic , but what are we trying to reinvent the wheel ? The Les Paul is perfect for me and delivers the tone and sound !

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    No cut-away here.....

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    On the back of NRBQ's "Scraps" Album, Joey is playing the weirdest looking Les Paul-no-cut-away-looking bass.

    I've been fascinated with it for years. I can't identify it at all. I guess it doesn't sound as good as a Danelectro...!

    Here is a tiny picture.

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    Here's a link to a bigger picture:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JhGVZLnpw8..._02_8x8_72.jpg

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    They DO exist, and were discussed here before. Not sure about the LPC above, but this is not a shopped pic:



    Plus Pat Smear had one made, there are vids of him playing it onstage.

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    If you think about it, it isn't cutaways, either 1 or 2 or none. A Flying V has no cut aways. SGs or double cut Jrs could have their cutaways chopped off and be no cutaway guitars.

    Cutaways function as to allow better string axcess or to balance the body on a strap. The way and manner the neck is attached is the critical factor. There have been some double cut 50's style Les Pauls made with a second cutaway in the upper bout. The neck joint/tenon remained the same, as did tone.

    A 50s style Standard with no cutaway would gain what? Crappy high register axcess for sure. A guitar with the shortest neck free of the heel now with no cutaway? Yep, great idea.

    Mainly though, I want to goad a low post newbee op with a thread that appears so much like the rash of such threads lately, to see if he/she replies, [ they did], and if a link would suddenly become embeded.

    Either way this is a fantasy thread. I don't believe the op has done any research as he claims or wants such a guitar. But hey, it ain't life and death and we are chewing the fat and I'm just calling it out, as I would if we were sittin' down drinkin' beers. I'm happy to refute/bolster/pishaw and discuss relevant points. Y'all can do the same.

    OP, if you're legit, WELCOME!! Stick around and if you can explain your research, please do. Have you seen a non cutaway LP, or know of any or are you just assuming they exist?
    Wow , what a guitar snob and a high grade wanker. Though shalt not go against the grain eh? Sorry for asking a question that's not like 99% of the other wankfest questions that you get. I'm sure you feel good about being a high post count forum contributor, though shall not be a low count contributor because surely then you don't know much about guitar??

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Magic View Post
    Wow , what a guitar snob and a high grade wanker. Though shalt not go against the grain eh? Sorry for asking a question that's not like 99% of the other wankfest questions that you get. I'm sure you feel good about being a high post count forum contributor, though shall not be a low count contributor because surely then you don't know much about guitar??
    The LPF has been getting a bunch of potential hacks from low post count users. Apologies if you were unfairly lumped into that mess.



    Quote Originally Posted by MeHereNow View Post
    Closest to give you an idea maybe the B&G little sister non- cutaway guitar.
    A demo of the cutaway and non- cutaway on the bottom of this page:

    https://bngguitars.com/electric/litt...ter-crossroads
    If you get the chance check out the B&G's. I haven't been as impressed with a new(ish) guitar company in a long time. I'm not going to compare it to a good LP, but the B&G's play and sound great!

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Magic View Post
    Wow , what a guitar snob and a high grade wanker. Though shalt not go against the grain eh? Sorry for asking a question that's not like 99% of the other wankfest questions that you get. I'm sure you feel good about being a high post count forum contributor, though shall not be a low count contributor because surely then you don't know much about guitar??
    We do welcome you to this Forum , although you will learn in do time who will go Bakersfield Chimp !! Welcome to the Forum & feel free to ask away !!!
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

    He thinks the mirror is a photo of a clown ?

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Magic View Post
    Wow , what a guitar snob and a high grade wanker. Though shalt not go against the grain eh? Sorry for asking a question that's not like 99% of the other wankfest questions that you get. I'm sure you feel good about being a high post count forum contributor, though shall not be a low count contributor because surely then you don't know much about guitar??
    And you resort to personal attacks and show your true colors. I called out your suppositions and poor intellect.

    You claimed you did research, I asked for details and you respond with attacks, but no fact, no clarification.

    I gave factual evidence and an explaination of the role of neck joint and cutaway to answer your question about tone, you respond with personal attacks.

    I explained the problem of low post threads we have had, and welcomed you. I asked if a non cutaway Les Paul was what you wanted, and why. You never answer if you have a compelling reason to want one. Who is clamoring for this guitar?

    You didn't answer any and instead name called and misrepresented my post. Another internet coward who can't argue like a man but responds like a child.
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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Although, again, not exact in spec by any means allow me to give an honorable mention to The Luddite which Ian (Specimen, used to apprentice there) has been making since at least the 90's:



    Very quirky idea indeed.

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch D. Bunker View Post
    They DO exist, and were discussed here before. Not sure about the LPC above, but this is not a shopped pic:



    Plus Pat Smear had one made, there are vids of him playing it onstage.

    I rarely go above the 12th fret anyhow.

    I would rock the hell out of that guitar.

    Give it to me!

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by deytookerjaabs View Post
    Although, again, not exact in spec by any means allow me to give an honorable mention to The Luddite which Ian (Specimen, used to apprentice there) has been making since at least the 90's:



    Very quirky idea indeed.
    That actually is not a half bad looking guitar . Starting with the nicely figured maple top, triple P90's, ABR-1 bridge, and stop tail . I bet it doesn't sound half bad ?

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    The p90 triple pickup does very little for me , shades of B&G I’ll pass .

    If Gibson was to build a GT or LPC I think I would have to have one !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

    He thinks the mirror is a photo of a clown ?

    The Myth: Neat wiring layouts always equate to great-sounding amps.

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch D. Bunker View Post
    They DO exist, and were discussed here before. Not sure about the LPC above, but this is not a shopped pic:



    Plus Pat Smear had one made, there are vids of him playing it onstage.


    wow! do you have the link to the vids? or how do look for them? im interested in seeing that!

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    I've not seen a sinlge cut MM in person so if the neck construction is the same on the single/dc MMs, then maybe the extra mass of mahogany does make a tonal difference. Weren't single cut Juniors more sought after for tone than their double cut counterparts?

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    That actually is not a half bad looking guitar . Starting with the nicely figured maple top, triple P90's, ABR-1 bridge, and stop tail . I bet it doesn't sound half bad ?


    They sound great but aren't in the Les Paul vein so much, kind of their own thing. Also, he builds'em truss rod-less and takes all the extra steps to assure long term stability. Not production guitars though, each one is a new scratch build.

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Gress View Post
    I've not seen a sinlge cut MM in person so if the neck construction is the same on the single/dc MMs, then maybe the extra mass of mahogany does make a tonal difference. Weren't single cut Juniors more sought after for tone than their double cut counterparts?
    The very first version doublecut MM was a singlecut with a matching cutaway added on the bass bout. Except for the cutaway they are identical. Jrs are completely different. The joint and necks are quite different. Very different builds and not comparable from a strict cutaway viewpoint.

    I've owned many, many Jrs and MMs. Still have a bunch. You cannot find a tonal difference between similar MMs. Try a bunch of same weight AND same neck profile, Single and Doublecut MkI & MkII MM's with slim 60 profile necks sound similar and I've yet to find anyone who can tell 'em apart by tone. Same for MMDs with similar necks.

    Singlecut Jrs are more desirable for their Les Paul shape and being first version rather than tone, IMO. They do tend to sound brighter than double cut 58-61 Jrs too my ears but I'd not say better or worse though I find them excellent, if not the same. So the different neck joint, longer neck, free of the heel, jumbo frets post 58 and slimmer profiles along with a different body make for a slightly less bright and snappy sounding guitar on average, but they are not the exact same guitars with just a cutaway difference.

    The main thing is there are guitars that are identical with one cutaway or a matching mirror cutaway double. The Melody Makers and Heritage Les Paul types have such models. Gary Branzell made some double cut Bursts for Pat Travers in the late 70's/early 80's which Gibson latter did for Pat. I remember how the tone remained the same as single cuts and it was these that made me zero in on neck joint construction as a major tone factor.

    I do not believe there is any tone benefit to a non cutaway Les Paul. I see it as a fashion statement and have no desire for one at all.
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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    What dos it mean to "go the way of the Bakersfield Chimp?"

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    Re: No-cutaway Les Pauls? How would it affect tone?

    I saw Gary Clark jt earlier this year at the Holland Bluesfestival with a guitar similair to the B&G and Luddite models.
    No idea what that guitar is though..


    Edit: i found it, it's a Wide Sky P125.. never heard of it though.


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