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    1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    Hi all,

    Do late 1960 bursts (Tomato Soup types 0 8xxx range) have a shorter neck tenon typically? Please see photo below


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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    Yes

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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    The gap between the tenon and end of the pocket varies greatly throughout the Burst years.
    However it does seem more common to have a wider gap in late 1960.

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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    Thank you! Great info as always!

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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    Is that pic in the original post from the newly found '60 in the other thread?

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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    It seems they have a shallower trussrod route as well. I'd never noticed that until it was recently pointed out to me.
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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich R View Post
    Is that pic in the original post from the newly found '60 in the other thread?
    It is not, no...but a similar serial range guitar

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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Kane View Post
    It seems they have a shallower trussrod route as well. I'd never noticed that until it was recently pointed out to me.
    Necessary in the context of the shallower neck, I'm guessing. I recently had a '61 Dotneck develop a longitudinal crack along the back of the neck, due to the decreased amount of wood in the neck compared to a thicker neck--a sickening development, I can assure you...

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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich R View Post
    Necessary in the context of the shallower neck, I'm guessing. I recently had a '61 Dotneck develop a longitudinal crack along the back of the neck, due to the decreased amount of wood in the neck compared to a thicker neck--a sickening development, I can assure you...
    Ya, that would totally suck.
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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    I believe thats the same timeframe they changed from the straight torsion rod to the more familiar curved truss rod, which also can appear to affect the position of the truss rod cover.

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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    The gap between the tenon and end of the pocket varies greatly throughout the Burst years.
    However it does seem more common to have a wider gap in late 1960.

    Here's 0-7448:

    Tom , is this still considered a long tenon ? or is there another term for it ? or is this a transition tenon ? I have seen this tenon before except there was no gap at the end of the tenon as it was tight . Would the 1960 Les Paul Custom's tenon look like this ? and the last Les Paul Custom's that shipped in early 1961

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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    Tom , is this still considered a long tenon ? or is there another term for it ? or is this a transition tenon ? I have seen this tenon before except there was no gap at the end of the tenon as it was tight . Would the 1960 Les Paul Custom's tenon look like this ? and the last Les Paul Custom's that shipped in early 1961
    I don't know the technical terms for these. I always assumed this was still a "long tenon" but there are others who really know the answer.
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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    This thread talks about tenons.

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    Re: 1960 Burst Neck Tenon

    Nothin' wrong with that neck tenon in post No. 1. It's possible there was some marginal wood at the end of the tenon that was sawed off in order to give the tenon a nice clean fit.

    Building thousands of guitars a year, you are going to see some variation in the construction and assembly of Gibson factory made guitars. If the neck fitter believes the end of the tenon needs dressing, then I would think that they would go ahead and saw off the section of blemished or marginal wood. I don't see this as a design/spec change initiated by the engineering division.
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