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    My Historic knobs are falling apart

    So the knobs on my 2014 Historic R7 LP are falling apart from spontaneous cracking. I understand that this is pretty common.

    Can one contact the CS to get replacements under some kind of warranty...probably not, but just wondering.

    Where can I buy CS Historic replacement knobs?

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    I think each Historic I own has some cracked knobs , I have one Historic Firebird V three of the reflectors came unglued .

    Disclaimer : You don't play the knobs , A little character added !!
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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    same thing on my 2014 R9 and I am afraid to touch the tone knob on the bridge pickup , it's turns fine , I just don't like how it's sitting on the shaft

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    I don't mind the look and the "character" ...but the bridge volume one is about to literally fall apart as the crack has transected the knob almost completely.

    I have looked at some of the high end reproductions but since this guitar is a stock gloss finish I don't know if I really need vintage reproductions as they are bloody expensive. So getting replacements from Gibson will prob. be the way for me to go.

    Are there differences between Gibson USA and CS knobs? I don't see specific CS knobs anywhere so maybe they are all the same.

    I see "Gibson" knobs on Sweetwater, does anyone have any experience with these?
    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...-vintage-amber

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...hat-knobs-gold

    What would look better on an ebony top R7, vintage amber, or the gold ones?

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    I bought some aged knobs on Ebay for a Explorer no cracks in a year , if you like i will photo & post let me know !!
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

    He thinks the mirror is a photo of a clown ?

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    The "Gibson true historic plastic" line, are far from the same quality and look from what i got on my 2018 CH R9. I order a switch tip from the "True historic line" from Gibson, and it looked nothing like the switch tip i got on my 2018 CH R9

    It was too dark, and you could clearly see and feel the seem where the two plastic part where put together. It was not polished and had some strange small "nibs" on the inside..
    It did fit the guitar, but looked like some cheap crap.

    Ended up ordering a new tip here: https://www.creamtone.com/collection...ibson-les-paul

    Seems like they manage to get the volume / tone knobs right as well:
    https://www.creamtone.com/collection...-exact-replica

    As for the historic ones, you should be able to feel a small "downward" dent in the middel of the volume/tone knop, and it the little plastic hat inside of the "see trough" part of the knob,(aswm explenation)
    Should be lower then the once you see on the standard Gibson.

    Capture1.JPG

    It seems to me that most of that historic or "aged" vintage knobs you find for sale dont get this right.
    Which again makes me think that they are just regular Gibson knobs that got some paint on them.. But hey, I could be wrong
    Last edited by Tor; 09-12-19 at 03:49 AM.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    I'm guessing 50% of the knobs on my Historics, M2M, etc. are cracked.


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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    cracks are not uncommon but totally splitting in half? not so much.

    can you provide pictures? I've had dozens of Historics since 2002 and many had knobs with cracks but none were structurally unsound. I've never had a knob break into pieces.
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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Never had a historic knob crack. PRS, yes. Gibson, no. (And I never played the PRS)

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    just checked my historics, 8 knobs, no cracks. '11 R0 and '19 R9
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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    I bought some aged knobs on Ebay for a Explorer no cracks in a year , if you like i will photo & post let me know !!
    Please do provide a picture! You are a very kind person, thank you!

    But this brings up another point, my guitar is a Gloss finish, and albeit it is a tiny bit aged now, but it is still pretty clean looking and would the aged knobs look good on a gloss finished guitar? Maybe I'm being too much of a diva about this and aged knobs would look good!

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by Tor View Post
    The "Gibson true historic plastic" line, are far from the same quality and look from what i got on my 2018 CH R9. I order a switch tip from the "True historic line" from Gibson, and it looked nothing like the switch tip i got on my 2018 CH R9

    It was too dark, and you could clearly see and feel the seem where the two plastic part where put together. It was not polished and had some strange small "nibs" on the inside..
    It did fit the guitar, but looked like some cheap crap.

    Ended up ordering a new tip here: https://www.creamtone.com/collection...ibson-les-paul

    Seems like they manage to get the volume / tone knobs right as well:
    https://www.creamtone.com/collection...-exact-replica

    As for the historic ones, you should be able to feel a small "downward" dent in the middel of the volume/tone knop, and it the little plastic hat inside of the "see trough" part of the knob,(aswm explenation)
    Should be lower then the once you see on the standard Gibson.

    Capture1.JPG

    It seems to me that most of that historic or "aged" vintage knobs you find for sale dont get this right.
    Which again makes me think that they are just regular Gibson knobs that got some paint on them.. But hey, I could be wrong
    Thank you for the great info.

    I was hoping not to have to fork out a hundred or so clams for knobs...but maybe I have to..and again Gloss finish with aged knobs..would it look tacky?

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    I'm guessing 50% of the knobs on my Historics, M2M, etc. are cracked.

    Yeah, I remember reading about this issue...but I never thought it would happen to me

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by BluesForDan View Post
    cracks are not uncommon but totally splitting in half? not so much.

    can you provide pictures? I've had dozens of Historics since 2002 and many had knobs with cracks but none were structurally unsound. I've never had a knob break into pieces.
    I'll take a picture today or tomorrow and post it. It is actually two cracks that go all the way through, and I think if I pull on that chunk, it will come right off the shaft. When I first became aware of the problem I wiggled the chunk ever so slightly and I think I saw infinitesimal movement, but movement nevertheless, and I stopped so it wouldn't come off.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by sws1 View Post
    Never had a historic knob crack. PRS, yes. Gibson, no. (And I never played the PRS)
    Some guys have all the luck, it was Rod Stewart that taught us that.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by BluesForDan View Post
    just checked my historics, 8 knobs, no cracks. '11 R0 and '19 R9
    You are another one of those that Rod warned us about

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by RocknRollShakeUp View Post
    Thank you for the great info.

    I was hoping not to have to fork out a hundred or so clams for knobs...but maybe I have to..and again Gloss finish with aged knobs..would it look tacky?
    Well, it depend on the amount of ageing that have been done to the knobs. You see the knobs on creamtone's page that i linked too? They cost a bit, but the seems right! And the aging seems to be very subtle
    So in that case, no i don't think that would be tacky

    One of my tone knobs got a little "white" mark on it, at the very bottom. So I'am gonna pull the trigger one this one.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    I will post this afternoon
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

    He thinks the mirror is a photo of a clown ?

    The Myth: Neat wiring layouts always equate to great-sounding amps.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
    I will post this afternoon
    Many Thanks, whenever it is convenient for you!

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by BluesForDan View Post
    cracks are not uncommon but totally splitting in half? not so much.

    can you provide pictures? I've had dozens of Historics since 2002 and many had knobs with cracks but none were structurally unsound. I've never had a knob break into pieces.
    OK, pictures:

    wildwood featherweight ebony R7


    Bridge volume knob, as you can see it is split and starting to separate



    The Neck knob is starting to have issues too, but the splits are not full thickness yet



    Also you can see that the Bridge knob is developing a crack toward the opposite side, and once it reaches full thickness, it looks to me like the thing will just fall apart. There is also a crack at just shy of 90 degrees to the full thickness split that is on its way to going all the way down too.

    I just emailed Gibson Custom via their website to ask if the knobs are under warranty, and if not, where I can buy a set. We'll see what they say.

    EDIT: LOL, my eyes are going bad..I just looked at the pictures more closely and the Neck Volume knob is also starting to split between the 10 and the 0.

    I need some new damn knobs!

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

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    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

    He thinks the mirror is a photo of a clown ?

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    The knobs on my ‘06 R8 broke a couple of years after I bought it in 2010. I replaced them with original Gibson amber knobs. Not correct for the R8, but I think they look better, and so far no cracks.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by RocknRollShakeUp View Post
    OK, pictures:

    wildwood featherweight ebony R7

    Bridge volume knob, as you can see it is split and starting to separate

    The Neck knob is starting to have issues too, but the splits are not full thickness yet

    Also you can see that the Bridge knob is developing a crack toward the opposite side, and once it reaches full thickness, it looks to me like the thing will just fall apart. There is also a crack at just shy of 90 degrees to the full thickness split that is on its way to going all the way down too.

    I just emailed Gibson Custom via their website to ask if the knobs are under warranty, and if not, where I can buy a set. We'll see what they say.

    EDIT: LOL, my eyes are going bad..I just looked at the pictures more closely and the Neck Volume knob is also starting to split between the 10 and the 0.

    I need some new damn knobs!
    HOLY FUCKING SHIT. I have seen probably over 1000 Historics over the years and NEVAH have i EVAH seen anything like that. Wow. Hey, dude, yer knobs are falling apart. Oh, wait, you said that already.

    *sorry, not meaning to make light of your situation. But wow, pictures really do tell the story, to paraphrase Rod S a little bit

    They look like they took an impact, wonder if something heavy landed on the case over the area of the lower bout. Are the studs of the tailpiece still straight?
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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    i would call wildwood...

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Wow them knobs sure show em' cracked and brittle alright .

    I think the shaft has expanded like the wood or the knobs have shrunk therefore. (just being funny on the first part)

    Yeah I've one on my 2005 LP Std. GT

    Not sure if the Historic's have the same aging process like the bindings/pick guard/TRC as well.

    Or Gibson is installing some very OLD STOCK parts, but then again I would think it's the environment and age that reacts to certain condition we are at.

    If you catch it first before the 1st year warranty ends they the store/place you got it from should replace them at once and you should be able to keep the old ones just in case your not ready to opt for the new set for the time being as it does add a bit of character. I just left mine alone, maybe I'll superglue it nicely so to keep the OEM vibe of it Historically.
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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    OP, I have NEVAH seen anything like those knobs EVAH. I've seen about a thousand historics over the years since 2002 and not one had that kind of cracking. If I didn't know any better, I'd say something hit the case in the area of the lower bout and damaged those knobs. How are your bridge studs?

    Thanks for the pictures. To paraphrase Rod, every picture tells a story
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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by AA00475Bassman View Post
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    Thank you very much for the pictures. They look good on your guitar since it is aged looking. I think they'd be a bit too aged for my Gloss finish without any sort of aging.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by Keefoman View Post
    The knobs on my ‘06 R8 broke a couple of years after I bought it in 2010. I replaced them with original Gibson amber knobs. Not correct for the R8, but I think they look better, and so far no cracks.
    The original Gibson knobs are not much money so I may get a set just to see what they look like on my guitar...the amber may look good with the ebony top.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by Trans-Am View Post
    Wow them knobs sure show em' cracked and brittle alright .

    I think the shaft has expanded like the wood or the knobs have shrunk therefore. (just being funny on the first part)

    Yeah I've one on my 2005 LP Std. GT

    Not sure if the Historic's have the same aging process like the bindings/pick guard/TRC as well.

    Or Gibson is installing some very OLD STOCK parts, but then again I would think it's the environment and age that reacts to certain condition we are at.

    If you catch it first before the 1st year warranty ends they the store/place you got it from should replace them at once and you should be able to keep the old ones just in case your not ready to opt for the new set for the time being as it does add a bit of character. I just left mine alone, maybe I'll superglue it nicely so to keep the OEM vibe of it Historically.
    I did move last winter so there were some significant environmental and temperature shifts. I kept the guitars cased, but still.

    You know, that's a good idea about the super glue! I've got nothing to loose. I could take them off glue em and see what I'm left with. I could always just put on some kind of replacements.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by RocknRollShakeUp View Post
    I did move last winter so there were some significant environmental and temperature shifts. I kept the guitars cased, but still.

    You know, that's a good idea about the super glue! I've got nothing to loose. I could take them off glue em and see what I'm left with. I could always just put on some kind of replacements.


    I would just glue it from the bottom in a fine line so that it doesn't crack any longer all the way unless it has then just a small line where the crack and it wont crumble on you but will be intact and have that nice looking aged character as OEM.
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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by BluesForDan View Post
    OP, I have NEVAH seen anything like those knobs EVAH. I've seen about a thousand historics over the years since 2002 and not one had that kind of cracking. If I didn't know any better, I'd say something hit the case in the area of the lower bout and damaged those knobs. How are your bridge studs?

    Thanks for the pictures. To paraphrase Rod, every picture tells a story
    You know when I first noticed it about 8 months ago, I don't think that it was quite as bad. No damage has happened in the meantime, but the cracking has continued. But as I mentioned above, I did move across the country during the middle of winter. My guitars were subjected to cold and dry air, but cased. Actually I took my R4 and R7 into the hotel rooms with me. My R4's speed knobs don't have any significant cracking whatsoever btw. It is very strange I suppose.

    The bridge studs are OK, and like I say, I don't think any damage was incurred by the guitar at any point, at least that I know of..I mean who knows, my 6 year old could have jumped on my case for all I know, but I don't think so. Actually when I first noticed the cracking I was concerned that it may have been from damage, and I did check the case and the rest of the guitar, but found no evidence of foul play. Again, the cracking was not nearly as pronounced I don't remember at that point. But since I wasn't familiar with the cracking thing I did do a search on cracked knobs, including on this forum. This is when I saw that people had reported such a phenomenon to happen spontaneously, and so I thought that explained it and didn't worry about it. A few weeks ago, I looked at the knobs closely again and noted that the cracking had definitely progressed to the state that they are in now. But yeah the rest of the guitar seems totally fine, and while taking pictures of the knobs today I had a real close look at the bridge of the guitar while messing with it.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by Trans-Am View Post
    I would just glue it from the bottom in a fine line so that it doesn't crack any longer all the way unless it has then just a small line where the crack and it wont crumble on you but will be intact and have that nice looking aged character as OEM.
    Great idea, I will try it. Thanks!

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Cracking "Historic" knobs are very common (at least in Colorado). I've owned a bunch and have seen many more. It's a legitimate complaint, IMO. I'm guessing, but it seems the vender didn't match the splines on the pot shaft or missed the diameter spec.

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    a 6 year old

    uh-oh

    that changes everything

    you have no idea what goes through a child's mind. "Whack the gold buttons on daddy's guitar to make it play"
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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by KR1 View Post
    Cracking "Historic" knobs are very common (at least in Colorado). I've owned a bunch and have seen many more. It's a legitimate complaint, IMO. I'm guessing, but it seems the vender didn't match the splines on the pot shaft or missed the diameter spec.
    Yeah, I've heard that Colorado could be really hard on guitars due to the oscillations in temperature and humidity. I didn't realize that this also would affect knobs.

    On that note, I live in North Arizona and keep my guitars in a 35-40% humidity, on the average. Sometimes it will dip in the low 30% range when I am not home to constantly control the humidity.

    But the cracking started significantly when I was living in Georgia, albeit it was the winter time and I did store the guitars in a room at my parents' house for a few weeks. The air does get dry due to running the heat and they didn't run a humidifier like I do. But I did notice the cracking right after that, hmmm...

    But yeah mostly, it has to be a spec mismatch between the spline and the diameter of the knob hole, exacerbated by environmental factors maybe.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by BluesForDan View Post
    a 6 year old

    uh-oh

    that changes everything

    you have no idea what goes through a child's mind. "Whack the gold buttons on daddy's guitar to make it play"
    LOL, but no, based on how and where the guitars were stored when the problem arose, and since, there is zero chance of this happening. But great visual! Actually you may totally roll your eyes at this but please trust me when I say that my 6 year old is really well behaved and would never do anything like that..but perhaps more germanely the guitars were never left in vulnerable position for 6 year old attack

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by RocknRollShakeUp View Post
    OK, pictures:

    wildwood featherweight ebony R7


    Bridge volume knob, as you can see it is split and starting to separate



    The Neck knob is starting to have issues too, but the splits are not full thickness yet



    Also you can see that the Bridge knob is developing a crack toward the opposite side, and once it reaches full thickness, it looks to me like the thing will just fall apart. There is also a crack at just shy of 90 degrees to the full thickness split that is on its way to going all the way down too.

    I just emailed Gibson Custom via their website to ask if the knobs are under warranty, and if not, where I can buy a set. We'll see what they say.

    EDIT: LOL, my eyes are going bad..I just looked at the pictures more closely and the Neck Volume knob is also starting to split between the 10 and the 0.

    I need some new damn knobs!
    From what I can see, these knobs don't look to much different from the Gibson original knobs.
    You should be fine picking "gold" or amber knobs.

    Probably only the "True Historic" and "Custom Historic" series that got the previous mention details down.

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    These are Not the True Historic knobs
    Quote Originally Posted by RocknRollShakeUp View Post
    OK, pictures:

    wildwood featherweight ebony R7
    . These are

    Bridge volume knob, as you can see it is split and starting to separate



    The Neck knob is starting to have issues too, but the splits are not full thickness yet



    Also you can see that the Bridge knob is developing a crack toward the opposite side, and once it reaches full thickness, it looks to me like the thing will just fall apart. There is also a crack at just shy of 90 degrees to the full thickness split that is on its way to going all the way down too.

    I just emailed Gibson Custom via their website to ask if the knobs are under warranty, and if not, where I can buy a set. We'll see what they say.

    EDIT: LOL, my eyes are going bad..I just looked at the pictures more closely and the Neck Volume knob is also starting to split between the 10 and the 0.
    The
    I need some new damn knobs!
    These are not “True Historic” knobs. These are the regular ABS plastic ones that were designed to be used on the regular production LP’s that Custom made. The “True Historic” knobs are made from CAB (Butryte) plastic exactly like the original 50’s ones. The shafts on the regular production pots were a different size vs. new, True Historic pots.

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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    These are Not the True Historic knobs These are not “True Historic” knobs. These are the regular ABS plastic ones that were designed to be used on the regular production LP’s that Custom made. The “True Historic” knobs are made from CAB (Butryte) plastic exactly like the original 50’s ones. The shafts on the regular production pots were a different size vs. new, True Historic pots.
    Yes the CS/Historic's used here are not the real actual production made for the 50's. Those would have only come with the original Paul's made then. Same with the Bakelite plastics made by Fender in the same period.

    Gibson here will not make nor include the real thing, for whatever reason due to cost in manufacturing and availability or tools used in the making as far staying true to the only authentic side of the original Les Paul spectrum.
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    Re: My Historic knobs are falling apart

    Ah, well that makes it easier then. For some reason I thought the CS used different knobs on the Historic line compared to their USA models. I'll just get some Gibson Original Knobs form Sweetwater.

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