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    If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    I'm a Fender guy mostly so far, Stat, Tele... but I like SGs
    After much research I landed on the SG standard last week. Great. 490's. Happy.

    Question: Still intruiged one day of getting a Les Paul, I like the P-90 special limited edition, and some other ideas....Maybe a used Studio from 90's...
    YEt Shopping for a good locking economical LP, way harder nice looking one for reasonable price compared to SG.

    Which is why went with SG... Light and beautiful, and has almost the sustain and growl of an LP, maybe 10% less? close enough for me.

    But the LP is clearly is king of sustain and growl, so the desire remains for an LP possiblly... possibly....

    So, for those those here, who are LP guys, who also are SG guys: If I got an LP one day that sounded great. Would there be a point sonically, sound wise to keep the SG?

    If the LP surpassed the growl and sustain of the SG, as they seem to do......then only the cool look, and lighter weight and feel remains to keep the SG?. Is there something sonically your SG's give you the LP does not?

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Sure you need one. SGs are very different feeling (the feeling like the neck is longer) and sounding guitars, hard to compare with LPs. They have some advantages like lower weight and better upper fret acces. They have different acoustic tone, more mid-heavy, their neck pickup is very different sounding too cause of the shorter distance to bridge. very often they have different attack and resonance too.
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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    As an SG was my first REAL guitar I would encourage you to play one for a WHILE at least. There are some advantages to the SG. They are most appreciated after becoming used to them.


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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    ...At the end of the day you will need one of each to cover your lust and GAS!!

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Thanks Prog/ Render.
    Well I have the SG now standard, looks, feels sounds great. Good to know the SG has sounds that LP does not. Happy with it... just wondering. I'm leaning actually to just going SG and not getting the LP, as that would save me space and $...though I like/ respect LP, but I like the lighter weight, and look of SG.. who knows what will happen, but had to ask this if it does.

    BTW, as for LP... opinon on the Special limited ediltion P-90? about 1k kor $1100. Not anything to look at, not super ugly, but not gorgeous like the a new SG starndard. This LP Sounds great at guitar center... I find with LPs Gibson really makes you spend $ for a pretty one.. otherwise sound good but are a bit homely and heavy looking guitars.

    Someone also mentioned idea of buying a used Studio from 90's from $700 to $900; Still wad of cash, and very hard to get jive with used.. really have to look hard..

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevs View Post
    Thanks Prog/ Render.
    Well I have the SG now standard, looks, feels sounds great. Good to know the SG has sounds that LP does not. Happy with it... just wondering. I'm leaning actually to just going SG and not getting the LP, as that would save me space and $...though I like/ respect LP, but I like the lighter weight, and look of SG.. who knows what will happen, but had to ask this if it does.

    BTW, as for LP... opinon on the Special limited ediltion P-90? about 1k kor $1100. Not anything to look at, not super ugly, but not gorgeous like the a new SG starndard. This LP Sounds great at guitar center... I find with LPs Gibson really makes you spend $ for a pretty one.. otherwise sound good but are a bit homely and heavy looking guitars.

    Someone also mentioned idea of buying a used Studio from 90's from $700 to $900; Still wad of cash, and very hard to get jive with used.. really have to look hard..

    Always good to ask around here as well before you decide on getting an SG, besides what the others have mentioned the SG comes in variety of range of models and prices. You ought to get really busy with your Paul first as when the time comes you start lurking for another then you'll know the GAS has attacked and you will be on your own travels looking out for number one. My SG stands and front me when I need to bring another Gibson.
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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Been playing for 50 years. I always felt I needed a Les Paul. I've never felt I've needed an SG. I like the way they look. But I don't like the way they hang and I've found them to often be somewhat unstable. Of course your mileage may vary.
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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Years ago I was practicing with my band and our drummer brought over a norlin era SG. I played it for a few songs and was hooked. It was not a fancy SG and it had some issues, but as a lifelong Les Paul player, I immediately became hooked. There's just something about an SG that provides an awesome alternative to a Les Paul if you're willing to give it a chance.

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    SG’s typically have more bite than a LP. Some of them don’t balance well on a strap but many balance great. Need to be choosy when shopping. Some have a flimsy neck which leads to tuning instability but some are rock solid. There are great SG’s out there.

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    SG's will tend not to balance well on how you sling them on and as well as depending on the hardware installed like the tuners from Grover's to the plastic tulip style Kluson's.

    My SG had the OEM Tulip style Kluson's and I have no issue with the balance
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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trans-Am View Post
    SG's will tend not to balance well on how you sling them on and as well as depending on the hardware installed like the tuners from Grover's to the plastic tulip style Kluson's.

    My SG had the OEM Tulip style Kluson's and I have no issue with the balance
    Agree with what you said; the hardware has an effect, but the density or weight of the major components; i.e. the body wood and neck wood also play a big role determining if there will be neck dive. Some SG's have the neck joint further from the body and therefore the strap button is placed back closer to the headstock. Like I said earlier with all the variable you have to be choosy but there are great ones out there. In my experience Grovers and a stop tail are a good reciepe for neck dive. Tulip style and a vibrola will likely balance nicely.

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    SG Special was awesome. I once had this urge with the SG to break into TNT in the middle of Folsom Prison Blues, and it scared me, so I found an LP I like. LP looks the part better for a broader selection of music.

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    One word. Allman Brothers Band.

    Another word. Dickey Betts.

    As a compliment there is no better.

    I really like the way when played side by side with a Les they are just different enough in tone that it is noticeable.

    And after a 4 hour set you don't wince when the groupies throw their arms around your neck...


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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    One word. Allman Brothers Band.

    Another word. Dickey Betts.

    As a compliment there is no better.

    I really like the way when played side by side with a Les they are just different enough in tone that it is noticeable.

    And after a 4 hour set you don't wince when the groupies throw their arms around your neck...
    Very true even when Derek started playing with them as well.
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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Thanks guys..What is neck dive? I google it and still don't understand. I don't have any issue with the new SG standing or sitting.

    Thinking of adding a Bigsby or aftermarket maestro Vibrola... only $140 or $150 plus instalation, not so bad. Really creates a great look.

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Neck dive is when you sling on the SG while standing up and the body is obviously heavier than the neck so the neck tends to teeter up like a see-saw or vice versa. Some owners here do experience that depending on the type of wood materials used and or hardware as in the heavier Grover tuners as opposed to the plastic Kluson tulip style.
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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trans-Am View Post
    Neck dive is when you sling on the SG while standing up and the body is obviously heavier than the neck so the neck tends to teeter up like a see-saw or vice versa. Some owners here do experience that depending on the type of wood materials used and or hardware as in the heavier Grover tuners as opposed to the plastic Kluson tulip style.
    Every SG I have ever played it's gone the other way. The neck drops down not up. I had one with a vibrola on and that made it slightly better, but the neck often dropped down, especially when using synthetic (slidy) straps

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    The two I currently have are not divers, but many I have had in the past did that. The neck wants to head to the floor. On my older ones back in the day it was just something you got used to. A stretch strap (or in my case I used a sheep skin padded strap) gives you enough friction to counter it. You DO kinda get used to it. It's not like it pulls you with it or anything, or even increases your need to grip the neck harder.




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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnreardon View Post
    Every SG I have ever played it's gone the other way. The neck drops down not up. I had one with a vibrola on and that made it slightly better, but the neck often dropped down, especially when using synthetic (slidy) straps
    This! Neck dive. Diver down.


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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Thanks guys, not feeling neck dive either way, so perhaps Gibson solved that, SG standard.

    BTW if anyone has a maestro vibrola they can sell let me know.

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    I go back and forth. Got a Coronet I really like and love SG special era Who, but I seem to prefer my humbucker guitars with maple.
    Last edited by sonar; 09-15-19 at 12:09 AM. Reason: Stupid autofill

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Had a '69 SG Special when I was a teenager and never should have sold it..........need to get another like it with a big fat neck........do you think I can find one......nope
    There are none around here so it's a search to get one from the US.............one day I will
    There's just something cool about the unique shape, thin body and vibrant cherry colour that's exciting to me.

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by goldtop0 View Post
    Had a '69 SG Special when I was a teenager and never should have sold it..........need to get another like it with a big fat neck........do you think I can find one......nope
    There are none around here so it's a search to get one from the US.............one day I will
    There's just something cool about the unique shape, thin body and vibrant cherry colour that's exciting to me.
    Does it really have to be a '69 per say? I guess if you wanted it to be Historic or Reissue. The current modern line up are nice too.
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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trans-Am View Post
    Does it really have to be a '69 per say? I guess if you wanted it to be Historic or Reissue. The current modern line up are nice too.

    The qualifying factor is a fat neck................so hard to find in a SG these days.

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    To me, the SG sounds more stripped down VS the LP which sounds more complex
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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by goldtop0 View Post
    The qualifying factor is a fat neck................so hard to find in a SG these days.
    If you're looking to splurge a bit, the new Custom Shop '64 SGs have nice, fat necks. You Can also custom order an SG with a fat neck from the Custom Shop through their Made 2 Measure program.

    If your'e looking for a cheaper alternative, I recently played at a local shop what I think might have been a 2019 Gibson USA SG Tribute (it had natural finish, batwing pickguard, and uncovered pickups) and the neck was surprisingly fat - bigger than any Gibson USA SG neck that I have played in recent decades. I think the "Modern" 2019 SG Standards have the same, fatter neck profile (judging from some comments I have seen on other forums).

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by indravayu View Post
    If you're looking to splurge a bit, the new Custom Shop '64 SGs have nice, fat necks. You Can also custom order an SG with a fat neck from the Custom Shop through their Made 2 Measure program.

    If your'e looking for a cheaper alternative, I recently played at a local shop what I think might have been a 2019 Gibson USA SG Tribute (it had natural finish, batwing pickguard, and uncovered pickups) and the neck was surprisingly fat - bigger than any Gibson USA SG neck that I have played in recent decades. I think the "Modern" 2019 SG Standards have the same, fatter neck profile (judging from some comments I have seen on other forums).

    Thankyou for the info

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    For me an SG and an LP are two completely different guitars. One weighs a ton, the other has neck dive!

    Seriously though, I love both, but if push came to shove, I just might pick my SG over my LP...

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Good post F, in fact the more I test the LP vs SG, I concur... The SG has great tone and sustain, and is a feather.. so I may not bother with the LP for now... maybe down road. I have other great tones: Strat, Jazzmaster, D'angelico.. don't find LP so different or better..

    Was looking at the a surf green LP gorgeous, but expensive and heavy, so may hold off on LP for awhile...

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by musekatcher View Post
    SG Special was awesome. I once had this urge with the SG to break into TNT in the middle of Folsom Prison Blues, and it scared me, so I found an LP I like. LP looks the part better for a broader selection of music.
    That is a GREAT post!

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Thanks K, yeah, odd how this evolves, maybe I'll get LP one day, but man, this SG standard, laminated, beautiful, creamy tones and about 1/2 price and weight of a beautiful LP....

    Now the LP that I did like recently at guitar center... looks/ sounds, were these if anyone has opinion, feel free to pipe in: (bit too pricy for now, but down the road..maybe?)

    Seafoam Green only Not, blue
    https://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson/...#productDetail

    Satin Wine only, not other colors
    https://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson/...tric-Guitar.gc

    Not crazy about any color here, not bad, but not amazing like seafoam green or wine red------, but pickups seem quite impressive
    https://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson/...tric-Guitar.gc

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    SG is a good guitar. Ive had 3. Much prefer a Les Paul to an SG tho. Also prefer an Explorer to an SG, just better tone.

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Whiskey View Post
    Agree with what you said; the hardware has an effect, but the density or weight of the major components; i.e. the body wood and neck wood also play a big role determining if there will be neck dive. Some SG's have the neck joint further from the body and therefore the strap button is placed back closer to the headstock. Like I said earlier with all the variable you have to be choosy but there are great ones out there. In my experience Grovers and a stop tail are a good reciepe for neck dive. Tulip style and a vibrola will likely balance nicely.
    To further explain this balancing issue; here is '61 (note button is in line with the bottom of the horn radius) and a '69 (note button is in line with the horn point).




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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    I'm more of a Les Paul guy, and have a batch across several price points. But then, it's not really about need, so I have a 490 loaded SG as well. For funsies.


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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Whiskey View Post
    To further explain this balancing issue; here is '61 (note button is in line with the bottom of the horn radius) and a '69 (note button is in line with the horn point).

    Thanks Whisky, what is the point of the horn thing? Are you saying by '69 the issue was addressed? Just guessing. Thanks Message is too short, so I'm typing more now.The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 1 characters.The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 1 characters.
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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Brian, nice photo thanks, what do the different Pauls give you from one another?

    Do you find the SG is more comfortable being so much lighter? And do you find the sound of the SG is on par with Pauls?

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    Re: If happy with LP do you need an SG?

    Short answer: NO.
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