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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Quote Originally Posted by deytookerjaabs View Post
    Okay, of all the things stated here this would piss me off to no end.
    Indeed.

    Gibson don't do irony either. Shortly after the Chap. 11 was court approved, I got a call from Gibson A&R asking me about the royalty strcuture Fender use for signature models.

    The answer given, "Fender actually pay their royalty bills".......
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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    That is a hell of a nice looking Les Paul, Tom. Very unique top as well.

    Your advice to play a bunch until one speaks to you is also the most constructive post on this thread not to mention truly the best way to find an inspiring guitar.

    Reading this entire thread, it never ceases to amaze me the amount of erroneous information that can be spread on an Internet forum, from inaccurate build specs to an inchoate and baseless rant against Gibson’s quality.

    While I share the outrage of people unjustly getting stiffed and other bad corporate behavior. There is no corollary between that and the quality of Gibson’s product. Gibson by most metrics is producing some of the best guitars since their golden age.

    With regard to the longevity of the CC line, I would think there are only a reasonably limited number of Bursts that warrant being memorialized in such a fashion along with a relative handful of signature/artist guitars. What significant Bursts are left?

    I do wish Gibson would do an inspired by a moment in history line. Historic renditions of all the great Bursts during the time they were actually played. Like Duane’s cherryburst with the covers still on, Peter Green’s Burst before the accident, Jimmy’s #1 without any push pull knobs, etc. While I don’t need a special limited edition COA or any other superfluous collateral, I’d love to get a Jimmy’s #1 or a Greeny Burst with accurate neck and top carves and a reasonably similar aesthetic.





    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Just play any you come across and if one speaks to you, go for it.

    I have completely fallen in love with my Donna copy [#5] and have played it at almost every gig for about a year now.
    It is exceptional!






    And of course, the pickguard sticker is off it.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    The top & color really Brings it all together LOVE IT Tom !
    Ive never confused owning a bunch of high end gear with being some kind of a guitar player I'm a hack and I love guitars !

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Well, I love my Collectors Choice #43 Mick Ralphs. One of the best newer LP's I've ever played.








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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Quote Originally Posted by porterburst View Post
    Well, I love my Collectors Choice #43 Mick Ralphs. One of the best newer LP's I've ever played.
    I guess it's horses for courses, glad you like the guitar.......shame Mick didn't get paid.
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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Quote Originally Posted by F-Hole View Post
    .......shame Mick didn't get paid.

    That's bad news for sure.........no good at all.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Have to admit, the CC line was a great concept when it initially came out. Props to Gibson for coming out with it.
    It was a great way to keep the interest in the Reissue line and sell pretty much the same guitars for a $2-3k upcharge.
    But, instead of taking their time and doing it slowly and well, Gibson pretty much blew their wad right away and diluted the hell out of the concept.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    I love my CC # 13 and # 15... and would love to get a Nicky and Gruhn!

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuck dale View Post
    I love my CC # 13 and # 15... and would love to get a Nicky and Gruhn!
    OT sorry.
    Do you feel so thin the CC15 neck respect CC13 like me ?

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanban View Post
    I know the past couple of years has seen the True Historic line and Collectors Choice line discontinued

    So what's really the reason for closing down the CC line

    Obviously they did not sell well. no one stops doing something if it makes them money. but were there others reasons?

    From what I gather quality wise its your normal historic line (pre 2015 CC did not even have true historic features which comes standard in 2018-2019 historics) , at 10-12k. so you pay the extra 6k for the work they put in making it look like the original relic/top wise?

    Just seemed to be a money grab.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Quote Originally Posted by omni43 View Post
    Just seemed to be a money grab.
    Imagine that. A company looking for new ways to make money.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Not too long ago I was able to pick
    up a CC #24 and absolutely love it. I sold a 2015 TH to help fund it and am very happy I did. The CC line to me was a great concept. I feel that with these, Gibson was able to make an attempt at replicating existing examples in hand, whether the CC replicated the respective guitar as close as possible idk, I’ve never held NICKY, but from what Charles has written these come pretty close. That’s good enough for me. I guess what I am simply trying to say is that I feel that these come closer to originals because they were based upon originals that were actually available to be examined.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    I got to play a CC (#14) and a/b it with my old 335. Of course, they didn't sound the same...but they both had the clarity that I look for in humbucker-equipped guitars (and often don't find). The CC neck pickup sound was even clearer and more articulate to my ears. I bought the CC on the spot. Love neck taper and the fact that you can use it with the Bigsby or with a stop tail. I wasn't looking for a CC per se or a relic of any sort...but I liked that idea that I wouldn't worry about picking up a ding or scratch playing it in clubs. And the guitar was set up beautifully and played really well. I dug the weight too. That quenched most of my thirst for a great Les Paul...but I did kinda want another one with a larger neck as well.

    Then, maybe three months later, after doing more research and watching a slew of Wildwood videos, I realized that the guitar in one of my favorite Koch demos was being re-sold by Wildwood. This was a #28 (STP Burst/Montrose). Snapped it up. It was every bid as impressive as my earlier acquisition in terms of play-ability and sound. And I LOVE the feel of the neck. I've not owned any real bursts though I've owned plenty of old Gibsons. These are clearly not the same as old guitars. It's crystal clear to anyone with a little experience. But damn...they are REALLY great Les Pauls! I love them and have used one or the other on every gig I've played since I got them.

    As to the OP...yeah...my impression is simply that they over-did it. People like the idea of buying something rare/hard to obtain...so if the marketing of this line was that these were "rare/special" ... then it seems like Gibson kinda blew that perception. In terms of how they treated the original owners, sub-contractors, anyone else involved...I have no personal knowledge. But I do recognize there are generally two sides (or more!) to most stories we hear on the internet (just like offline).
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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    I have a 2019 60th anniversary M2M that was aged like a CC1.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    I think there are 2 issues on the long term feasibility of the CC run:

    - They don't look like accurate replicas of the original.

    I might not have a sufficiently trained eye but, not considering any specific tell-tale attributes (say, mismatched knob types, particular wear ptterns, different hardware etc) virtually all CCs I have seen look like regular Historics, and their top figuring in particular is very different from the original.

    - The transient nature of original ownership. Many original specimens that were considered for the CC run are now, or may be in the future, in different hands.

    Celebrity players lend their name to iconic guitars by virtue of the music they made, and the association between the player and the instrument continues even after the guitar changes hands.

    Collectors in many cases are temporary custodians, and this in my opinion does not create a particularly meaningful legacy for the general guitar-buying community.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    First off, I'd like to apologize for my snarky attitude a while back.
    I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the "repurposing" of some of these CCs.
    I happened upon one by chance, and it is my first Historic guitar. My goal at the time was to "move up" to the Custom Shop by way of trade (at a reputable dealer), and it worked out well.
    I knew of the CC line at the time, so when I was told that the "R8" I was playing was actually a CC29 - it kinda blew my mind. It was explained to me that Gibson was going to "throw them in the chipper", but a deal was made to "repurpose" them into limited runs of Historic Standards.
    2017 was a mess... even the advertising for the line was incorrect: "all hide glue construction". Well, that may have been true for some of them, but surely not on a CC29.
    I wasn't going to split hairs though, because I still feel like I made out like a bandit.
    I was asked not to talk about the repurposing because "it might rock the boat" if Gibson knew that the cat was out of the bag. As you can imagine, this level of intrigue was a bit above my head at the time - so I was actually worried about mentioning it anywhere. Well, that changed when I googled it and saw that it was a well-known practice.
    Having read this thread, I can only guess that the repurposing of these guitars would hurt the collectors and artists that owned the originals.
    I was told that Gibson would never admit to any of this, and I could see why.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    I have two of them: A Nicky and a Happy Jack.
    Couldn`t be more happy with both of them. Feels like christmas every time i open the case and play them . I have compared them to a load of other Gibson`s including the 60th anniversary, which i find very appealing too. I would buy these 2 guitars again in a heartbeat. They are a definite upgrade with regard to tone, feel and aesthetics to what i had earlier on and i am sure JD Simo didn`t exaggerate with his appraisal of the Nicky.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Quote Originally Posted by ff1337 View Post
    Not too long ago I was able to pick
    up a CC #24 and absolutely love it. I sold a 2015 TH to help fund it and am very happy I did. The CC line to me was a great concept. I feel that with these, Gibson was able to make an attempt at replicating existing examples in hand, whether the CC replicated the respective guitar as close as possible idk, I’ve never held NICKY, but from what Charles has written these come pretty close. That’s good enough for me. I guess what I am simply trying to say is that I feel that these come closer to originals because they were based upon originals that were actually available to be examined.
    This is exactly my experience and the reason why i sold 2 guitars, one a TH to finance my Nicky which i perceive as a major upgrade in every respect.

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Gibson wanted to cater to the peeps that can only afford such highly priced instruments, so if you had the moolah to be able to even sell your left sack to get one of these baby's then your in good hands down the road.

    Another model will come up soon, you just watch it and make sure you still have the balls.
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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Mine were done in house. Never heard a mention of them being done elsewhere.
    I have been meaning to ask you in your CC Donna , the one that took so long for you to get (the one in the photo in this thread ) , what pickups are you using in her ? Some Vintage PAF's ?

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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    I love my Danger Burst. I play it daily...




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    Quote Originally Posted by F-Hole View Post
    I had a CC run of 8-7049. The CC guitars are so far from the original as to make the exercise pointless. The only thing even remotely "right" is the colour.
    I guess the guy on FB today truly did not like your 'official CC video' & webpage I referenced him to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    I have been meaning to ask you in your CC Donna , the one that took so long for you to get (the one in the photo in this thread ) , what pickups are you using in her ? Some Vintage PAF's ?
    Edwin loaded my Donnas with special sets he wound. He did this as a favor to me, and I only found out afterwards. And they sound killer.

    I never even consider putting vintage PAFs in a modern guitar. That's because I see no need for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Edwin loaded my Donnas with special sets he wound. He did this as a favor to me, and I only found out afterwards. And they sound killer.

    I never even consider putting vintage PAFs in a modern guitar. That's because I see no need for it.
    Unless the rest of the body etc. is trashed and the only salvageable parts are the pups? Hmmmm! Maybe I would but it would have to be a one time shot on a very good candidate Paul!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trans-Am View Post
    Unless the rest of the body etc. is trashed and the only salvageable parts are the pups? Hmmmm! Maybe I would but it would have to be a one time shot on a very good candidate Paul!
    I would save them for restoration.
    There are many fine pickups. I don't need to put PAFs in other guitars.
    Besides playing PAF equipped Les Pauls, I more often play guitars with other pickups. For over 30 years my main player has Duncan Alnico 2's [cream bobbins]. I also play guitars with Gibson Custombuckers, Thro-Backs, Wolftones, and Rio Grande. They all sound fine and I don't wonder "what if".
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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    I would save them for restoration.
    There are many fine pickups. I don't need to put PAFs in other guitars.
    Besides playing PAF equipped Les Pauls, I more often play guitars with other pickups. For over 30 years my main player has Duncan Alnico 2's [cream bobbins]. I also play guitars with Gibson Custombuckers, Thro-Backs, Wolftones, and Rio Grande. They all sound fine and I don't wonder "what if".
    That would be another option Tom, yes I fully agree on the other hand that you come across another vintage playing Paul that needs to be restored to it's full original capacity.

    There is a good vibe with playing other guitars with different pups really. You have a sense of variety as in covering every level of sonic responses you get from PAF-57's-BB-MHS-CB's etc., let alone the boutique arrays of others well made sounding pups BK's etc. out there, and come to think of it? I don't have the same pups in my other Paul's as well.
    I echo your thoughts
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    Re: Why did Gibson close down the "Collectors Choice" line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wittrock View Post
    Edwin loaded my Donnas with special sets he wound. He did this as a favor to me, and I only found out afterwards. And they sound killer.

    I never even consider putting vintage PAFs in a modern guitar. That's because I see no need for it.
    Thanks for the info and I bet they sound killer ! Surprises like that are awesome !

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadCat View Post
    I have two of them: A Nicky and a Happy Jack.
    Couldn`t be more happy with both of them. Feels like christmas every time i open the case and play them . I have compared them to a load of other Gibson`s including the 60th anniversary, which i find very appealing too. I would buy these 2 guitars again in a heartbeat. They are a definite upgrade with regard to tone, feel and aesthetics to what i had earlier on and i am sure JD Simo didn`t exaggerate with his appraisal of the Nicky.
    +1!

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