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How to set tailpiece height on R9

rick c

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Your tech may be warranted in your case, what string size do you use? If it’s like a 9-42 I would also not recommend top wrapping. It looks cool but isn’t ideal for strings that light.

Top wrap isn’t a requirement, it’s purpose is to be able to keep the stop bar flush with the guitar body for better sustain and tone yet give the strings a slinky feel like the stop bar is raised.

That’s all.

If you use 11 - 52 strings you’ll probably top wrap, if you use 9 - 42 set you’re defeating the purpose by top wrapping as your slinky feel is being changed to be like having a set of 7s or 8s.

THERE IS NO SET RULE.

If one guy plays Jazz and uses 11 - 52 he’s not going to want a top wrap. If a guy plays bendy blues or hard rock and he also uses 11 - 52 he’s going to need a top wrap. BUT only if he wants the stop bar flush on the guitar body.

My Historic I got recently has the old style longer studs so I can’t imagine there being a benefit to top wrapping tonality wise.

People really snake oil these topics to death. This is almost entirely about break angle tension over the saddles.

Sometimes you even see partially top wrapped guitars because they use a hybrid string set. The plain strings would be too slinky if top wrapped.

I have to agree with the snake oil comment. I believe in physics. The string tension to achieve a tuned note is a function of the string length, string gauge and the string tension between two points; the nut and the saddle. It can be argued that if there is a long string length between the tuner and the nut and/or the saddle and the bridge connecting point then there may be an extra amount of slinkiness as there's more total string length to move when bending. On my old LP Custom, the difference in excess string length between top wrapping or the regular stop piece hole is minimal; I've tried both methods and it makes no difference but I should note that I like lighter gauge strings. The break angle over the saddles argument is a weak one; my EBMM Majesty has a longer scale length, 10 - 46 strings and pretty much a 90 degree break angle and it's pretty slinky. Of course "slinky" is subjective; ever played 007"s?
 

jimmymack

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It's all personal, and you can experiment for yourself, if you have a screwdriver. My personal favorite setup has the stop bar raised up high on the treble side, and down low on the bass side. Slinky trebles and tighter bass strings. I play .010 to .046 round wounds .

Tell me why this is not a good way to go. I have done it on 3 guitars, all semi hollow. My Casino, a great playing, slinky and very expressive guitar that is a dream to play and audience members have noticed it too - has a trapeze TP. The break angle over the saddles is minimal, any less and I would be popping strings out of the saddles. So, who makes the rules anyway?
 

renderit

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It's all personal, and you can experiment for yourself, if you have a screwdriver. My personal favorite setup has the stop bar raised up high on the treble side, and down low on the bass side. Slinky trebles and tighter bass strings. I play .010 to .046 round wounds .

Tell me why this is not a good way to go. I have done it on 3 guitars, all semi hollow. My Casino, a great playing, slinky and very expressive guitar that is a dream to play and audience members have noticed it too - has a trapeze TP. The break angle over the saddles is minimal, any less and I would be popping strings out of the saddles. So, who makes the rules anyway?

I do.

Paragraph 17 of the "RULEZ AND NOTATIONS FER THE STOP TAIL ADJUSTMENTS" states:

"...and if Ren don't like it it don't float in our navy and you will have to pay more to get your certification sticker.

And then it goes on to set the nations as well:

"Period..."

And they are great stickers! You can put them right over last years sticker!
Just send in your guitar and we will get to it after we tested it in a few roadhouses where bottles tend to fly.


There are multitudes of commas, semi-colons, colons and the colon who scrivened it as well.

Not a lot of subscript and superscript, but it generally points out the logic and reasons for the international standards that apply.

And we have not let an international standard join yet, but they keep applying...
 

jimmymack

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I do.

Paragraph 17 of the "RULEZ AND NOTATIONS FER THE STOP TAIL ADJUSTMENTS" states:

"...and if Ren don't like it it don't float in our navy and you will have to pay more to get your certification sticker.

And then it goes on to set the nations as well:

"Period..."

And they are great stickers! You can put them right over last years sticker!
Just send in your guitar and we will get to it after we tested it in a few roadhouses where bottles tend to fly.


There are multitudes of commas, semi-colons, colons and the colon who scrivened it as well.

Not a lot of subscript and superscript, but it generally points out the logic and reasons for the international standards that apply.

And we have not let an international standard join yet, but they keep applying...

OK OK!
 
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